Venting Articles about Shatto

[TheLastSacrifice]

I have been reading the articles about her death. What these clowns have to say about this forum and calling it a death cult has me pissed off. Her mom calling members of this forum all that ad hominem crap makes me absolutely nauseous. I wonder how these people don't like on their own pills they swallow. They're fuckin nuts man.

I have been reading the articles about her death. What these clowns have to say about this forum and calling it a death cult has me pissed off. Her mom calling members of this forum all that ad hominem crap makes me absolutely nauseous. I wonder how these people don't puke on their own pills they swallow. They're fuckin nuts man.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I have been reading the articles about her death. What these clowns have to say about this forum and calling it a death cult has me pissed off. Her mom calling members of this forum all that ad hominem crap makes me absolutely nauseous. I wonder how these people don't like on their own pills they swallow. They're fuckin nuts man.

I haven't read any articles lately but I saw her mother was on the warpath against S.S. after it first happened.
I understand that the mother is in pain but so was her daughter … enough to be forced to end it. From what I remember they did try to get her help but it failed.
I also get pissed that we are called a suicide cult. EVERYONE is free to make their own decisions. Also even if S.S. wasn't here there is other sources of information like the PPH.
I want to add that if someone changes their mind and doesn't want to end it, I totally support their decision. I also support someones decision to end it but I do not "Cheer" them on.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

It makes me so mad. I understand the parents being hurt. I have a daughter. Nobody can tell me I don't know what its like. I want to ctb right now in part because of being separated from my precious baby. But to call for any law that punishes a person for speech and sharing information, that is grounds for war IMHO. Like actual war. Most of the wars we fight in the middle East are pure nonsense or for profit. This stuff... freedom of speech and freedom to choose when to die..that's something people should be fighting for

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Unfortunately we are in the minority. We can't really say how we feel without being locked up.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

That Republican congresswoman calling for harsher laws for spreading information. Right so this lady wants me in a cell because I told someone what sodium nitrate is. Makes me thankful to be suicidal. I don't have to fear the fucked up laws. In death I'll be untouchable by their pathetic laws. Since I'm an atheist I doubt I'll be dealing with gods law either. If I'm wrong...boy o boy do we and this god have quite a little chat coming because I can tell you I'm about as happy and thankful for this life as you would to get a case of bedbugs. I sometimes wonder why I bothered fighting for the united States. We were supposed to be fighting for freedom. And this...laws to throw someone in jail for spreading information....this is what I fought for? Pfft....

Unfortunately we are in the minority. We can't really say how we feel without being locked up.

I just do it anyway. Im going to say what I'm going to say. If a person isn't being violent or threatening people then they should be able to.

 

[lovemelovemenot]

Yeah, it sucks that we are so misunderstood by outsiders. The things people say about this community are just blatant lies sometimes. I've never seen someone encourage anyone to kill themselves, I've never seen people cheer each other on and have even seen members take it upon themselves to get a person to rethink their decision if it seems they are acting impulsively. Anyone who spends one full day on here would see that.

I wish they could realize what exactly pro-choice means, and realize that people should have the right to die if they so chose. They should at least be able to have options and do it in a way that feels most comfortable to them. If a person is seriously going to kill themselves they will find a way to regardless of this fourm existing or not. Sure, it might be harder for them to, but then what? They'll jump infront of a train and needlessly scar someone else for the rest of their lives? They'll blow their brains out and leave a bloody mess all over the place? I swear people are so stuck far up their own asses sometimes.

No, it doesn't always get better. There's not always another way. Not everyone gets a magical fairy tale ending. Things don't always work out. That's reality. Yeah, your death can hurt other people and that sucks, but you know what else sucks? Being trapped in your head every fucking day of your life, lonely, miserable and whatever other concotion of emotions that make you want nothing else but death.

Ugh, I'm done ranting about this... I just hope things can change in the future and suicide won't be seen as such an evil taboo thing.

 

[Broken Chimera]

I remember hearing that interview and I was about as pissed as you are. The blatant lies and attacks on us. Acting as if the forum killed her. She made a choice, a choice many of us probably will make. She was in pain and tired but that didn't come up once iirc. It was all about the families pain, never what drove her to do it. I feel bad for them, but it's not like attacking us is going to bring her back. How would they feel if she jumped in front of a train or shot herself, would it still be our fault?

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I remember hearing that interview and I was about as pissed as you are. The blatant lies and attacks on us. Acting as if the forum killed her. She made a choice, a choice many of us probably will make. She was in pain and tired but that didn't come up once iirc. It was all about the families pain, never what drove her to do it. I feel bad for them, but it's not like attacking us is going to bring her back. How would they feel if she jumped in front of a train or shot herself, would it still be our fault?

No. Of course it would be the train's fault. Anything other than the real problem apparently.
I am just now realizing that I may have brought something up that maybe I shouldn't have. I see that this has been a huge loss of morale for this forum. I am new so I didn't really know.

 

[calendulo]

Clearly I am not a smart guy but I never would refered them like "These clowns" including or quoting to her mother.
Sadly, her mother or any mother, althought she was wrong, has right to say anything about us and your duty is swallow it.

As I said these battles are lost in advance.

 

[Soul]

No. Of course it would be the train's fault. Anything other than the real problem apparently.
I am just now realizing that I may have brought something up that maybe I shouldn't have. I see that this has been a huge loss of morale for this forum. I am new so I didn't really know.

There's no "shouldn't have", but it is a topic that hurts. Putting Shawn's name in the thread title means her mother will probably now feel provoked to post more outcry on her FB page. I suggest using the forum search gizmo to find and acquaint yourself with old threads on the subject.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I don't claim to be a smart guy or anything like that. I think my iq is 130ish but that doesn't mean anything. I empathize with the family but still after taking time to reflect and think about the statements made I still stand firm. The ad hominem crap made them seem like idiots to me personally. If my daughter died I would be... destroyed, however I am still going to look at what actually happened...and this death by proxy was the statement of...what's a nice word...an idiot.
The outcry won't stop, though I do agree about not fueling any of these peoples fire. Albeit still, people on here are going to have to realize it's not something that will stop and people will just have to push back.

 

[CyanideSoup]

The only person who's 'fault' it was that Shawn died was herself. She was a grown woman with a mind of her own, who sought out information to end her life. All that the forum did was offer her support and respect her wishes. I understand why her mother is reacting the way she is, everyone grieves in their own way. She did lose her daughter and I think people here forget that sometimes. Insulting her while she's hurting will isn't going to help 'save' the forum. She's made up her mind and wants to bring our community down, and I think the more continue to insult a dead woman's family the more ammunition they will have against us.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I don't intend crude insult. I actually thought the statements were idiotic. It's not just an ad hominem, just to be insulting or a jerk. Like imho the statements were ignorant and idiotic. Like not as crude insults but by definition.

Clearly I am not a smart guy but I never would refered them like "These clowns" including or quoting to her mother.
Sadly, her mother or any mother, althought she was wrong, has right to say anything about us and your duty is swallow it.

As I said these battles are lost in advance.

She has the right to say whatever she wants...that part is right. But as far as swallowing anything I don't have any such duty. Someone is free to make their ignorant statements and you are free to criticize. I think the fact that these people aren't criticized for bad intellectual ideas is actually more empowering to them than anything. That's just what I think. Again no major meanness intended. I didn't show up here to upset people and would be happy to let the topic drop.

 

[calendulo]

I don't intend crude insult. I actually thought the statements were idiotic. It's not just an ad hominem, just to be insulting or a jerk. Like imho the statements were ignorant and idiotic. Like not as crude insults but by definition.

She has the right to say whatever she wants...that part is right. But as far as swallowing anything I don't have any such duty. Someone is free to make their ignorant statements and you are free to criticize. I think the fact that these people aren't criticized for bad intellectual ideas is actually more empowering to them than anything. That's just what I think. Again no major meanness intended. I didn't show up here to upset people and would be happy to let the topic drop.

Agree with your argument, no doubts; but in my humble opinion when someone wants to defend a cause, purpose or an idea, it is so important to know who is your nemesis.........in fact I want to thank you have clarified me the meanning of clowns in english...........I did not know that it could have a meanning on a despective or offensive way.....I thought clown just was a person who works on a circus.

I do not see her like a clown........Samaritans?...Yes I do, and Journalist or mediastream and there will be more people, surely; but her mother, I don't.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I really am referring to Representative Dawn whatever moreso than the grieving mother. I listened to what that representative said and to me she sounds silly. I usually vote R too. I wouldn't for that one.

 

[Jessamine]

Shawn wasn't a victim of this community she was a PART of it.. she was an active member and as such, she believed in being pro choice and most likely supported others on here in their choice to ctb. So attaching this forum her mother is attacking her daughter's fundamental beliefs.
I make the mistake of looking on the mother's Facebook and of course her pain is hard to witness and I'm sorry for it but I just believe she is directing her anger in the wrong direction and it won't help her in the end.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

Agree with your argument, no doubts; but in my humble opinion when someone wants to defend a cause, purpose or an idea, it is so important to know who is your nemesis.........in fact I want to thank you have clarified me the meanning of clowns in english...........I did not know that it could have a meanning on a despective or offensive way.....I thought clown just was a person who works on a circus.

I do not see her like a clown........Samaritans?...Yes I do, and Journalist or mediastream and there will be more people, surely; but her mother, I don't.

I didn't intend it to be a huge insult or hitting below the belt. I just thought it was absurd and well silly(these laws. Not Shawn's death. Not the grief)
I actually feel really REALLY bad for the gal who died and the mother. I have a daughter. I love her so much. I just don't have tolerance for more big brother laws, more feel good nonsense, and slander/libel.
I deeply apologize about the mother and I have no place really to be talking about stuff I have no business in but again I wasn't specifically referring to her mother. It wasn't just the mother that spoke. So too did the representative.

Shawn wasn't a victim of this community she was a PART of it.. she was an active member and as such, she believed in being pro choice and most likely supported others on here in their choice to ctb. So attaching this forum her mother is attacking her daughter's fundamental beliefs.
I make the mistake of looking on the mother's Facebook and of course her pain is hard to witness and I'm sorry for it but I just believe she is directing her anger in the wrong direction and it won't help her in the end.

 

[9137890]

People believe just what they want, this will never change. To prevent this site, I think we should indicate new members to delete their browsing history, cookies... and use a proxy, vpn or tor.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

I sometimes wonder why I bothered fighting for the united States.

Are you a military veteran?

 

[waterbottleman]

That Republican congresswoman calling for harsher laws for spreading information. Right so this lady wants me in a cell because I told someone what sodium nitrate is. Makes me thankful to be suicidal. I don't have to fear the fucked up laws. In death I'll be untouchable by their pathetic laws. Since I'm an atheist I doubt I'll be dealing with gods law either. If I'm wrong...boy o boy do we and this god have quite a little chat coming because I can tell you I'm about as happy and thankful for this life as you would to get a case of bedbugs. I sometimes wonder why I bothered fighting for the united States. We were supposed to be fighting for freedom. And this...laws to throw someone in jail for spreading information....this is what I fought for? Pfft....

I just do it anyway. Im going to say what I'm going to say. If a person isn't being violent or threatening people then they should be able to.

So Republicans will do something about people deciding to take their own lives but they won't do jack shit about people buying high powered rifles and mowing innocent people down.

Yeah I'm not surprised, it smells like Republican "logic." Also whatever happened to individual responsibility, freedom, etc? Lol again, no surprise.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

Are you a military veteran?

Yeah. Though I was just upset at the articles I read. Invoking veteran status isn't going to get me anywhere in an argument. It's just frustrating. Seeing people just ready to surrender the most precious rights...not even to die, but simply to speak openly.
Im per

So Republicans will do something about people deciding to take their own lives but they won't do jack shit about people buying high powered rifles and mowing innocent people down.

Yeah I'm not surprised, it smells like Republican "logic." Also whatever happened to individual responsibility, freedom, etc? Lol again, no surprise.
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So Republicans will do something about people deciding to take their own lives but they won't do jack shit about people buying high powered rifles and mowing innocent people down.

Yeah I'm not surprised, it smells like Republican "logic." Also whatever happened to individual responsibility, freedom, etc? Lol again, no surprise.

Im not down with the antigun stuff of the Democratic party and I'm not down with the religious mumbo jumbo of the Republicans. It's all a shit show to me. We really don't have that many mass.shooting deaths as people act like. Even fewer deaths per year by the silly rifle everyone is so afraid of, the AR15 but I won't get into that political stuff. Both sides are crap IMHO and I wouldn't vote for any of the candidates of either party right now.

The majority of 'Gun Violence" deaths here are actually suicide. Two things that people are going to eventually figure out are not going away are suicide and firearms. They are a part of the world. Whether people can accept that or not, the ugly truth is that these things aren't going anywhere regardless of how many laws get passed. Passing legislation to solve every little issue is absurd. But let people keep banging their heads against a wall I guess...