Discussion Are we weak for wanting to ctb?

[livinginhellnation]

I mean is our situation really that bad or our we just weak ass pussies?
A lot of wanting to ctb is because we don't have the money to enjoy ourselves or we are working some dead end shitty job or we has some history of abuse or we are victimized in some way.
But is it really that bad comparing to people who lived through the Holocaust or victims of Pol Pot's Khymer Rouge or even a guy serving life in Supermax facility or someone like Nic Vudjic?

 

[Yaffle]

No; I don't consider it's a weakness although I'm certain pro lifers do.

It's just being pro choice and our right just as there are rights for every minority in society.

We're not weak or vulnerable, we're a taboo minority that's vilified by the media and pro lifers.

 

[livinginhellnation]

No; I don't consider it's a weakness although I'm certain pro lifers do.

It's just being pro choice and our right just as there are rights for every minority in society.

We're not weak or vulnerable, we're a taboo minority that's vilified by the media and pro lifers.

Our parents are to blame .. bringing us into a world of suffering … they should have asked us first ..

 

[The Schizoid]

It depends why you're trying to CTB tbh.

 

[Yaffle]

Our parents are to blame .. bringing us into a world of suffering … they should have asked us first ..

Many stories online of people who have sued their parents for giving birth to them without asking permission of child first.

 

[Dayrain]

Many stories online of people who have sued their parents for giving birth to them without asking permission of child first.

Are there?

 

[Yaffle]

Are there?

Just search, loads of them.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Are there?

Absolutely yes. I think it's hilarious.



I don't think it's weak because it's a logical response to unbearable suffering. Yet some people have a much stronger survival instinct than others.

 

[tiger b]

I mean is our situation really that bad or our we just weak ass pussies?
A lot of wanting to ctb is because we don't have the money to enjoy ourselves or we are working some dead end shitty job or we has some history of abuse or we are victimized in some way.
But is it really that bad comparing to people who lived through the Holocaust or victims of Pol Pot's Khymer Rouge or even a guy serving life in Supermax facility or someone like Nic Vudjic?

'Is it that bad' is just a non-argument to me. 'weak ass pussies' sounds like what the Sergeant Major bawls at his squadron...before he goes back to barracks and deploys his PPW on himself.

Suicide isn't a modern phenomena.

Whatever label yo want to put on your situation, feel free, as you are the ultimate Judge Judy and Executioner.

 

[𝗟𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗹𝘆]

It takes insane amount of courage and strenght to pull the trigger and end your own life. Even though we all will die eventually we all are scared of it so I would never call someone who ctb'd weak. Usually it takes years to come up to this decision, people don't just wake up one day and go for it, most of them try to fix whatever can be fixed and reach exit when other things don't work.

But is it really that bad comparing to people who lived through the Holocaust or victims of Pol Pot's Khymer Rouge or even a guy serving life in Supermax facility or someone like Nic Vudjic?

It's like saying "Oh, you lost a parent in car accident? There are people who lost both parents, your pain isn't as valid".
Who is there to say which one is worse? In reality none of us care about other people and their pain as much as we care about ourselves. My suffering will always be way worse to me because I have to live it every single day. Why would I put someone else's pain before mine if it doesn't affect me and there's nothing I can do about it. That's the reality of it.

 

[tiger b]

No; I don't consider it's a weakness although I'm certain pro lifers do.

Maybe more than you think are actually projecting their self-talk outwards. You know, what they tell themselves to get through the day.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

It's like saying "Oh, you lost a parent in car accident? There are people who lost both parents, your pain isn't as valid".
Who is there to say which one is worse? In reality none of us care about other people and their pain as much as we care about ourselves. My suffering will always be way worse to me because I have to live it every single day. Why would I put someone else's pain before mine if it doesn't affect me and there's nothing I can do about it. That's the reality of it.

Agreed, we all have our own suffering that we have to wake up to everyday regardless.

At the end of the day, none of us asked to be here, so just being called "weak" for wanting to end your own life because it's not so bad compared to people who lived through the Holocaust is so ridiculous to me, whose to say what standard applies to who should and shouldn't take their own life when we weigh who has more suffering to deal with. Why do things need to get that bad to justify any notion of wanting out of this world being valid . None of us voluntarily signed up for any amount of misery and suffering inflicted upon us by other human beings, nature or any other concurrent causes.

 

[Dayrain]

Just search, loads of them.

Absolutely yes. I think it's hilarious.

So not a single one has been succesful?

 

[Forever Sleep]

Depends on the value you put on your life. If you see it as something valuable and meaningful- then, maybe there's more reason to fight for it. I don't think there's a fixed universal answer to whether life is meaningful. It comes down to the person living it. Some people simply don't find their lives meaningful. Either they don't find value in anything they could or will bring to it or- they can't achieve the things they want and feel embittered by that.

Put it another way- say you're asked to participate in a game you don't particularly enjoy and get nothing from- anything you like really- dominoes, tiddlywinks. Should you feel like a failure and a wuss if- half way through- you decide you've had enough? Surely not. Some people simply don't view life as some lofty, precious gift that needs to be protected and prolonged at all costs.

Depends how you see your life. Depends what importance you place on yourself in this world. Probably depends if you're religious too. It feels like a balance to me. If I kill myself now- I believe it would devastate my Dad. I can't bear to do that at the moment. So- I linger on. In pretty much all other aspects though- I will be forgotten about and replaced in next to no time at all I suspect.

I've tried hard in specific areas of life and largely failed. It's not that I never made the effort. It's that the rewards- when they came weren't worth it (in my experience.) I'm quite simply- sick and tired of it all. Besides- I feel like I have enough experience- both my own and talking to others that- what I once held as my goal in life probably wouldn't end up making me happy. So- what am I striving for? I feel like there's this enormous pressure on people to just keep aiming for something. If that fails- jump to something else. That's good advice I think if you want to live but- what if you don't? Their advice and judgements are only really sound if living is compulsory- which is isn't.

It's not to say people who fight to survive aren't brave- I think they are. Good luck to them. I hope it works out. Still- I don't think people who CTB are cowards. Maybe I think criminals who do it are though- they don't want to face justice and punishment for what they did. CTB takes guts though. Maybe more than I'll ever muster.

 

[Dayrain]

So not a single one has been succesful?

@Yaffle @Nembutal dreams

I was serious on this question, but I guess it was a bit stupid, still serious tho...

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

@Yaffle @Nembutal dreams

I was serious on this question, but I guess it was a bit stupid, still serious tho...

Evie toomes has won a case if I remember, and Raphael Samuel has a case ongoing as of 6 months ago, don't know if he's been successful as of now.

 

[Dayrain]

Evie toomes has won a case if I remember, and Raphael Samuel has a case ongoing as of 6 months ago, don't know if he's been successful as of now.

Interesting. Yes, I thought it is entirely possible that at some point some small, insignificant court made a judgment to this effect and it was immediately overturned by a higher court ruling. Therefore I think this could have happened a few times.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Interesting. Yes, I thought it is entirely possible that at some point some small, insignificant court made a judgment to this effect and it was immediately overturned by a higher court ruling. Therefore I think this could have happened a few times.

Yes, I think so too.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Evie toomes has won a case if I remember, and Raphael Samuel has a case ongoing as of 6 months ago, don't know if he's been successful as of now.

Woah, that's insane

Depends on the value you put on your life. If you see it as something valuable and meaningful- then, maybe there's more reason to fight for it. I don't think there's a fixed universal answer to whether life is meaningful. It comes down to the person living it. Some people simply don't find their lives meaningful. Either they don't find value in anything they could or will bring to it or- they can't achieve the things they want and feel embittered by that.

Put it another way- say you're asked to participate in a game you don't particularly enjoy and get nothing from- anything you like really- dominoes, tiddlywinks. Should you feel like a failure and a wuss if- half way through- you decide you've had enough? Surely not. Some people simply don't view life as some lofty, precious gift that needs to be protected and prolonged at all costs.

Depends how you see your life. Depends what importance you place on yourself in this world. Probably depends if you're religious too. It feels like a balance to me. If I kill myself now- I believe it would devastate my Dad. I can't bear to do that at the moment. So- I linger on. In pretty much all other aspects though- I will be forgotten about and replaced in next to no time at all I suspect.

I've tried hard in specific areas of life and largely failed. It's not that I never made the effort. It's that the rewards- when they came weren't worth it (in my experience.) I'm quite simply- sick and tired of it all. Besides- I feel like I have enough experience- both my own and talking to others that- what I once held as my goal in life probably wouldn't end up making me happy. So- what am I striving for? I feel like there's this enormous pressure on people to just keep aiming for something. If that fails- jump to something else. That's good advice I think if you want to live but- what if you don't? Their advice and judgements are only really sound if living is compulsory- which is isn't.

It's not to say people who fight to survive aren't brave- I think they are. Good luck to them. I hope it works out. Still- I don't think people who CTB are cowards. Maybe I think criminals who do it are though- they don't want to face justice and punishment for what they did. CTB takes guts though. Maybe more than I'll ever muster.

Always appreciate your thoughts on topics like this because you are so detailed.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Everyone has their personal reasons why they want CTB. None of us is weak or coward! An honorable suicide is always the better choice to suffering and other unbearable hardships in life. It needs a lot more courage to CTB that to anything else to be finally free and relieved.

 

[suicidal flapper]

A lot of people who suffered through those horrible tragedies did eventually take their life. We just don't ever hear about them because of course we don't

 

[Kundalini Guy]

No and anyone that says so can fuck themselves

 

[Worndown]

Some are less resiliant than others, but no, none are weak. One can only carry a burden so long before they need to put it down.

 

[imrantahir1208]

I can't imagine one being stronger than overcoming SI which has been built into us over millions of years as part of the animal kingdom. There is no bigger display of courage and strength then CTB on your own terms and not natures.

 

[Ashu]

Weak is a haters' word, but we are what we are and what we have to be, and it's alright to be that.

 

[deadbody]

Definitely no, no matter how prolifers calling it. Finally put the end to your sufferings is a brave act.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't really understand why people should have to suffer if they don't want to, it isn't like any of us are obligated to continue existing until we die anyway and it isn't like there are any disadvantages to not existing.
It makes little sense to see death as so bad for everyone when we are just waiting to die anyway and death removes all suffering, if someone wants to die then that's not other people's decision to make.

I see wanting to cease existing on my own terms as being rational as it's the prevention of all future unnecessary suffering in this existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer. I could never see a point to existing anyway.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Everyone has their personal reasons why they want CTB. None of us is weak or coward! An honorable suicide is always the better choice to suffering and other unbearable hardships in life. It needs a lot more courage to CTB that to anything else to be finally free and relieved.

Agreed.
The Romans, stoics and Greeks viewed suicide as honourable. There is also the Japanese harikiri ritualistic suicide and atmahatya suicide in the Hindu tradition