Discussion Are there people who actually want to live?

[nigelhernandez]

And don't commit suicide because they enjoy life, not out of a feeling of obligation for others? It seems to that everyone I talk to in real life finds life really hard but most of them like my mother spew out the "but I'd never commit suicide, it's selfish/weak".

It seems that most people don't actually enjoy life. I wonder if euthanasia was made legal in the next decade and the social stigma disappeared, how many people would take it? Those that don't must really enjoy life because there's no pressure on them to keep going and there's a painfree method to exit if they wanted to.

 

[Life_and_Death]

i want to live. i enjoy a lot of things. i have a lot of hobbies that make me smile. i have dreams and plans i want to go through with. but my past holds a lot of abuse and my current life has a lot of disorders i cant handle. im going to die anyway. what if i die by an accident in a car crash or a house fire or something? all of this makes it conflicting and right now im currently falling back down while trying to hold myself up but im not sure how long i can do it.

 

[lostangel]

I'd say there is a few people who enjoy their life and don't want to ctb.

I doubt euthanasia will become available to the public nearly every government is living in the stone age. But if they did, I and many of others will be gone.

 

[Squiddy]

If it weren't for my articulation issues, processing issues, memory loss issues and my mental health issues, I'd want to live

 

[Bruces]

I'm really lost as to what people want to live for!!!

 

[Deleted member 18655]

I finally do. Or did. For the first time in decades, I was where I wanted to be. I had friends for the first time and I thought I was on the right path finally. I was happy!!! Dammit. The Plandemic ruined it all. (FWIW, I personally believe that the virus might be real but the worldwide economic collapse and technocratic/New World Order evolution was planned a long time ago). I lost my job, I lost my social circles because the place we all come together was shut down and we're all introverts lol, I'm a conspiracy theorist and all of this that's going on scares the @#%! out of me. I'm now depressed and ready to ctb. I had about 15 years without being suicidal and six months of actual, true happiness.

Gone.

 

[Zappfe lover]

The desire to live is part of our biological programming. Coming to terms with your own mortality is an unnatural act. That's why even if euthanasia was legal, the number of people that would actually go through it would not be very big.

 

[I screwed up]

No ... I wanna die will wanna live only if I could go back in time to undo all the wrong I have done in my life

 

[death becomes her]

i want to live. i enjoy a lot of things. i have a lot of hobbies that make me smile. i have dreams and plans i want to go through with. but my past holds a lot of abuse and my current life has a lot of disorders i cant handle. im going to die anyway. what if i die by an accident in a car crash or a house fire or something? all of this makes it conflicting and right now im currently falling back down while trying to hold myself up but im not sure how long i can do it.

I used to, so it's the only way I can slightly understand this way of thinking. However, one wrong turn turned me to life of addiction / abuse. So we live a life where a couple wrong choices can make us want to die?

But, I'm confused because when I was happy I also wanted more, almost was seeking danger. So there is something wrong with me or life.

I finally do. Or did. For the first time in decades, I was where I wanted to be. I had friends for the first time and I thought I was on the right path finally. I was happy!!! Dammit. The Plandemic ruined it all. (FWIW, I personally believe that the virus might be real but the worldwide economic collapse and technocratic/New World Order evolution was planned a long time ago). I lost my job, I lost my social circles because the place we all come together was shut down and we're all introverts lol, I'm a conspiracy theorist and all of this that's going on scares the @#%! out of me. I'm now depressed and ready to ctb. I had about 15 years without being suicidal and six months of actual, true happiness.

Gone.

I relate to this, however I was already on the ledge. I wonder if covid hadn't happened I wouldn't be pushed to jump (metaphorically as I'm using SN).
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I'm really lost as to what people want to live for!!!

Me too! I feel like even when I had everything, I still was sad and empty. It makes me angry at life, which is useless, so I just turn my anger to society instead most of the time and myself for being broken and not being able to function within it as other people seem to manage just fine.

 

[Checkout2]

For me, I can't stand this pain, where Bipolar and BPD has led me over the last two years...in to very dark places, where I ended up giving up my career due to stressful work environment (should have just looked for a new company), donating a kidney to a stranger, spending all my inheritance, then losing my family (this again was my own doing, my hubby is undiagnosed asperges..:and for many years I felt unloved and bullied). I totally lost the plot last Summer and did some unspeakable things.

My hubby and children are speaking to me and sometimes (when my step daughter isn't there), I can stay in the former marital home. My step daughter is also suffering from mental illness and is struggling with her sexuality.

I have no job, no money, in thousands of pounds in debt, I am more or less squatting in a house I used to rent out, which I have to sell to pay off debts and I won't be able to pay the tax man in January.

i have tried to CTB many times. I've tried partial and one time almost full suspension, but SI kicks in.

Despite knowing drugs won't work, I have OD'd on promethazine (made me delusional), promethazine and amitriptylene (delusional and then passed out, cousin called an ambulance and woup in A&E), Nytol with paracetamol and ibruprofen (just made me dizzy and sick), bleach (hospital), paracetamol again (hospital as crisis team called an ambulance), isopropyl alcohol (hospital as hubby called an ambulance).

i have been admitted to three different psychiatric wards in last 18 months

i was o l'y diagnosed in January with Bipolar and BPD. Looking back I've had these conditions all my life (was groomed and sexually abused my neighbour between 13-14 years old)...but was able to tune my life around several times...get a career, get married, have children.
Work, family, gym gave my life purpose and a routine.
I am now full of guilt for all the horrible things I did whilst manic, I am depressed, I am scared

I can't take the pain anymore, but then I think about what suicide would do to my children and I can't go through with it. I think my illness has caused me to be selfish enough.

Anyone else with Bipolar and/ or BPD which has destroyed everything?

 

[sadghost]

I've thought about this myself a lot and it's been really interesting to read these responses! I find it genuinely hard to imagine that people want to live but I'm definitely biased

 

[TheAntidote87]

Yes, I have never once thought about ctb in my life. I enjoyed life 100%, even the bull shit, and it was out of no obligation to others. Loved waking up everyday. Even during my lowest times, and there have been plenty, the thought never crossed my mind. I Loved living every single day. I think I was just lucky. But now I am not physically healthy and life sucks.

 

[Checkout2]

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I've thought about this myself a lot and it's been really interesting to read these responses! I find it genuinely hard to imagine that people want to live but I'm definitely biased

I know...for me I want my old life back.
I wonder if we were not in pain either physically or mentally if we would feel differently?

 

[sadghost]

I know...for me I want my old life back.
I wonder if we were not in pain either physically or mentally if we would feel differently?

I'm sorry for your pain. I wonder as well, as sadly my mental health issues started from a relatively young age

 

[Checkout2]

I'm sorry for your pain. I wonder as well, as sadly my mental health issues started from a relatively young age

Do you want to PM?

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Yes i want to live.. If onky i wasnt deformed i could have lived. Now im just here waiting for time passing as there are no activities for people like me. No relationships, no public activities without getting stared at like a monster nothing except playing games till i die eventually. Its sad

 

[Mixo]

It might surprise you but I think the vast majority of people actually enjoy being alive or have some kind of happiness in their life. Suicide is intrinsically hard to understand because it goes against basic human nature to survive so they come up with empty rhetoric to explain the supposed irrationality of suicide. In any case, since the world is going to shit I'm sure it will become less stigmatized as society stops pretending to be mystified by why on earth people are killing themselves more and more - no brainer, it's because living is becoming more and more difficult, painful. As the earth's climate, more nuclear wars, mass poverty, and more human struggles pile up, I do think that people will just accept a casual decision to end your life. Probably won't see much improvement in euthanasia laws, however. Not in this lifetime.

 

[Linda]

And don't commit suicide because they enjoy life, not out of a feeling of obligation for others? It seems to that everyone I talk to in real life finds life really hard but most of them like my mother spew out the "but I'd never commit suicide, it's selfish/weak".

It seems that most people don't actually enjoy life. I wonder if euthanasia was made legal in the next decade and the social stigma disappeared, how many people would take it? Those that don't must really enjoy life because there's no pressure on them to keep going and there's a painfree method to exit if they wanted to.

Yes, there are people who enjoy life. I am one of them. If I had been asked beforehand, I would have politely declined the opportunity to be born, because overall I consider life to be more hassle than it is worth, but it is also true that there can be many good things in life. Now that I AM here, I make the most of the opportunity. However, I have no fear of death, and when the disadvantages of life begin to outweigh the advantages I will leave. That is most likely to happen if my husband has died (at present he is very much alive), I have completed most of the things I want to do in life, and my health (which is already declining) becomes a burden. It is perfectly possible to combine an enjoyable life on a day to day basis with a view that, in an overall philosophical sense, life is not worth living, a complete indifference to death, and an acceptance of suicide when the time comes.

Whether or not it is fair to describe suicide as "selfish" or "weak" will vary from one case to another. Sometimes those adjectives may be appropriate. Other times they are not.

 

[Kain10th]

My only desire at this point is to see how society and the world faire in the future. Things look grim right now.

 

[ilovenightmares]

Only money would make me want to live, lots of it to do what I want.
That'll only happen with the lottery though, which I don't play so.

 

[Linda]

My only desire at this point is to see how society and the world faire in the future. Things look grim right now.

It's a bit off topic for this site, but for the record I think the chance is greater than 50% that our technological society will collapse, probably in the second half of this century. People will survive (at least if the collapse doesn't trigger a nuclear war), but at a much lower level of population, and in some kind of pre-industrial economy. We won't go back all the way to the Stone Age (again, assuming that we avoid nuclear war). What happens after such a collapse, and whether humanity can recover from it, is hard to predict, because there are many possibilities.

A collapse would be grim. Around 90% of the population would die of starvation within 1 - 2 years.

It's worth pointing all this out to the pro-lifers. They tend to be exactly the same people whose thoughtless attitudes are driving us towards such a catastrophe.

 

[So-lowgid]

For me, I can't stand this pain, where Bipolar and BPD has led me over the last two years...in to very dark places, where I ended up giving up my career due to stressful work environment (should have just looked for a new company), donating a kidney to a stranger, spending all my inheritance, then losing my family (this again was my own doing, my hubby is undiagnosed asperges..:and for many years I felt unloved and bullied). I totally lost the plot last Summer and did some unspeakable things.

My hubby and children are speaking to me and sometimes (when my step daughter isn't there), I can stay in the former marital home. My step daughter is also suffering from mental illness and is struggling with her sexuality.

I have no job, no money, in thousands of pounds in debt, I am more or less squatting in a house I used to rent out, which I have to sell to pay off debts and I won't be able to pay the tax man in January.

i have tried to CTB many times. I've tried partial and one time almost full suspension, but SI kicks in.

Despite knowing drugs won't work, I have OD'd on promethazine (made me delusional), promethazine and amitriptylene (delusional and then passed out, cousin called an ambulance and woup in A&E), Nytol with paracetamol and ibruprofen (just made me dizzy and sick), bleach (hospital), paracetamol again (hospital as crisis team called an ambulance), isopropyl alcohol (hospital as hubby called an ambulance).

i have been admitted to three different psychiatric wards in last 18 months

i was o l'y diagnosed in January with Bipolar and BPD. Looking back I've had these conditions all my life (was groomed and sexually abused my neighbour between 13-14 years old)...but was able to tune my life around several times...get a career, get married, have children.
Work, family, gym gave my life purpose and a routine.
I am now full of guilt for all the horrible things I did whilst manic, I am depressed, I am scared

I can't take the pain anymore, but then I think about what suicide would do to my children and I can't go through with it. I think my illness has caused me to be selfish enough.

Anyone else with Bipolar and/ or BPD which has destroyed everything?

I have diagnosed BPD, now being called mixed PD since it all fell to pieces again. Lost everything through it although I do now have good contact with my kids.

Most definitely wouldn't be here to type this if they weren't here. They make me stay alive because I can't put them through losing a parent to suicide..... or at least I really don't want to put them through that... I just don't want to live though so it's really hard. Even looking them in the eye when I know the thoughts in my head is hard af