Help Are IV kits any good?

[nottinghams]

I'm talking about the ones you buy online from amazon or a medical company. do they actually have everything needed for a proper IV or does it miss stuff and the equipment is cheap and doesn't work well? like risky for ctb. let me know.

 

[willitpass]

Pretty useless if you don't have enough medical knowledge to be able to start one. It's hard to learn how to start IVs and even harder to learn how to start one on yourself.

 

[ladylazarus4]

I think they're pretty comprehensive. I'm not sure how an iv would work but I've successfully drawn my own blood before (just using a 20 gauge needle and a 3cc syringe).

 

[nottinghams]

Pretty useless if you don't have enough medical knowledge to be able to start one. It's hard to learn how to start IVs and even harder to learn how to start one on yourself.

self iv is learnable. i dont need doom talk thanks.
and you know how to iv?
what would you have me do? plug my arse? give up and string my neck up?

if kits are ahh i need to know so i can buy supplies individually instead.


would like to know someone who has experience with these kits please.

 

[ladylazarus4]

Amazon.com

I'm not a medical professional but IVs don't use that many materials. AFAIK, this is pretty comprehensive- you will also need a tourniquet, alcohol swabs, and a clear dressing (if the IV is going to sit in you). Correct me if I'm wrong tho. Be careful. There are videos you can watch online.

 

[willitpass]

self iv is learnable. i dont need doom talk thanks.
and you know how to iv?
what would you have me do? plug my arse? give up and string my neck up?

if kits are ahh i need to know so i can buy supplies individually instead.


would like to know someone who has experience with these kits please.

Yes. I work in healthcare. It took me a long time to learn how to put an IV in other people and I still have yet to successfully place one in myself and have the dexterity to be able to attach anything to it. And IV medications are going to be pretty damn hard to get your hands on as online pharmacies require you to enter your medical professional credentials to purchase, especially fatal ones, so what are you planning on putting in if you manage to gain access?

 

[nottinghams]

Yes. I work in healthcare. It took me a long time to learn how to put an IV in other people and I still have yet to successfully place one in myself and have the dexterity to be able to attach anything to it. And IV medications are going to be pretty damn hard to get your hands on as online pharmacies require you to enter your medical professional credentials to purchase, especially fatal ones, so what are you planning on putting in if you manage to gain access?

I thought I would need professional credentials to purchase stuff I used for IM, but no.
drug users use self IV all the time so basic enough learning is possible and all you need for CTB.
I'm also probably less worried than other people because I have really apparent veins. I also have gotten a lot of bloodwork most of my life. I'm panned now, but you can still see them very easy, and they are very prominent if you know what I mean.

The drug I'm putting in is something akin to fentanyl. Fentanyl you buy on purpose is really hard to come by rn, but still just as dangerously prevalent in heroin. Some nitazenes are also stronger than fentanyl.

I assume all I need to do is just overload the water plus opiate solution and inject it all. Not difficult to figure. It's not like I'm trying to survive after all.

So, what do you say then, are the kits bought on Amazon and medical websites for everybody are good quality and have everything you need?
(just wanna say, medical stuff is often available without credentials because of people with diabetes)

@ladylazarus4

I looked at the link you've sent and it seems like because of its low price it can break sort of easily but overall it seems it works well. I want to buy a kit in cases cheaper than getting supplies individually. But if the prices too close to compare, I may buy individually anyway.

 

[willitpass]

I thought I would need professional credentials to purchase stuff I used for IM, but no.
drug users use self IV all the time so basic enough learning is possible and all you need for CTB.
I'm also probably less worried than other people because I have really apparent veins. I also have gotten a lot of bloodwork most of my life. I'm panned now, but you can still see them very easy, and they are very prominent if you know what I mean.

The drug I'm putting in is something akin to fentanyl. Fentanyl you buy on purpose is really hard to come by rn, but still just as dangerously prevalent in heroin. Some nitazenes are also stronger than fentanyl.

I assume all I need to do is just overload the water plus opiate solution and inject it all. Not difficult to figure. It's not like I'm trying to survive after all.

So, what do you say then, are the kits bought on Amazon and medical websites for everybody are good quality and have everything you need?
(just wanna say, medical stuff is often available without credentials because of people with diabetes)

IVs are different to what you are describing. An IV is a needle used to insert a cannula, the needle is then taken out and a little tube sits in your vein. This is dressed and kept in your vein with tubing attached. A syringe must be attached to the tube to inject any meds into your vein.

Drug users simply use a needle that they guide right into the vein and then immediately withdraw after shooting up with a syringe. It has to be the right kind of syringe that is long enough and the right thickness to entire into the vein.

Insulin needs are subcutaneous needles, meaning they are very short needles that only enter into the subcutaneous tissue, or a fatty layer of tissue very close to the skin. They do not reach muscle nor are they injecting into a vein. Only certain medications (such as insulin or blood thinners) can be given via this route. Giving a non subcutaneous med through this route will cause problems such as pain and swelling, but the medication would not be delivered properly and will likely not have the desired effect. Fentanyl like medications are not meant to be given this way.

IM, or intramuscular injections are given through a longer needle the is going to get to the muscular tissue, deeper than subcutaneous. It does not deliver it into the vein, it delivers it into the muscle. Again, only certain medications can be delivered this way, such as vaccines. Giving a medication that isn't meant to be given this way is going to cause problems but not give you the desired result.

Without proper knowledge about what you are doing this is a method more likely to cause problems than anything. Everything I just mentioned doesn't even get into thinks such as needle gauge size and the likes. Just because it is a needle doesn't mean it is what you are looking for.

 

[nottinghams]

IVs are different to what you are describing. An IV is a needle used to insert a cannula, the needle is then taken out and a little tube sits in your vein. This is dressed and kept in your vein with tubing attached. A syringe must be attached to the tube to inject any meds into your vein.

Drug users simply use a needle that they guide right into the vein and then immediately withdraw after shooting up with a syringe. It has to be the right kind of syringe that is long enough and the right thickness to entire into the vein.

Insulin needs are subcutaneous needles, meaning they are very short needles that only enter into the subcutaneous tissue, or a fatty layer of tissue very close to the skin. They do not reach muscle nor are they injecting into a vein. Only certain medications (such as insulin or blood thinners) can be given via this route. Giving a non subcutaneous med through this route will cause problems such as pain and swelling, but the medication would not be delivered properly and will likely not have the desired effect. Fentanyl like medications are not meant to be given this way.

IM, or intramuscular injections are given through a longer needle the is going to get to the muscular tissue, deeper than subcutaneous. It does not deliver it into the vein, it delivers it into the muscle. Again, only certain medications can be delivered this way, such as vaccines. Giving a medication that isn't meant to be given this way is going to cause problems but not give you the desired result.

Without proper knowledge about what you are doing this is a method more likely to cause problems than anything. Everything I just mentioned doesn't even get into thinks such as needle gauge size and the likes. Just because it is a needle doesn't mean it is what you are looking for.

again, I am going to ignore the doom-talk. there's some people like you on this forum. they just like to tell you your method is bad no matter what.

no crap, actual IV is different. and learnable. you say you work in healthcare but you don't know nursing majors often watch videos and practice on themseleves?
where do you think im supposed to get ''proper knowledge'? enroll in nursing school? its the same basic info..

if you're going to hand me this extremely negative opinion I'd like to ask you what you think I should do instead?
and can you please actually answer the original question in this thread instead of whatever this is: are the kits any good?





I swear there is a group of people on this forum who disagree with suicide but know their pro-life ideas would get shot down so they just tell people every method is bad.

 

[willitpass]

again, I am going to ignore the doom-talk. there's some people like you on this forum. they just like to tell you your method is bad no matter what.

no crap, actual IV is different. and learnable. you say you work in healthcare but you don't know nursing majors often watch videos and practice on themseleves?
where do you think im supposed to get ''proper knowledge'? enroll in nursing school? its the same basic info..

if you're going to hand me this extremely negative opinion I'd like to ask you what you think I should do instead?
and can you please actually answer the original question in this thread instead of whatever this is: are the kits any good?





I swear there is a group of people on this forum who disagree with suicide but know their pro-life ideas would get shot down so they just tell people every method is bad.

If you think me explaining to you the difference between different types of needles and the dangers it poses to use the wrong needle or the difficulties in starting an IV on yourself without any prior knowledge is "pro-life" and "doom-talk" then I don't know what to tell you. Yes, nursing student watch videos and practice on themselves… AFTER being shown in person by an instructor the proper protocol and practicing on mannequins and fellow classmates. I'm not saying go to nursing school, I'm advising you that it is not an easy task, especially from someone who appears to have limited medical knowledge. I am not going to advise you on methods because that is against forum rules.

If telling someone that their method is unreliable and more likely to cause harm than death makes someone pro-life then what's the point of this forum? If you don't want people to tell someone their method is dangerous or unlikely to work then let's just start letting people OD on tylenol or slit their wrist and never tell them why it's a bad idea. Just because someone is criticizing a method to keep someone out of harms way does not mean that they are doom-talking. Half the reason for this forum is for people to have a sounding board for bad ideas to prevent bad things from happening. If you want another method there's this whole site for you to find another one, but I am not going to be the one to advise you on it.

As for the kits, I don't know. I have never tried to purchase medical equipment from Amazon before.

 

[nottinghams]

If you think me explaining to you the difference between different types of needles and the dangers it poses to use the wrong needle or the difficulties in starting an IV on yourself without any prior knowledge is "pro-life" and "doom-talk" then I don't know what to tell you. Yes, nursing student watch videos and practice on themselves… AFTER being shown in person by an instructor the proper protocol and practicing on mannequins and fellow classmates. I'm not saying go to nursing school, I'm advising you that it is not an easy task, especially from someone who appears to have limited medical knowledge. I am not going to advise you on methods because that is against forum rules.

If telling someone that their method is unreliable and more likely to cause harm than death makes someone pro-life then what's the point of this forum? If you don't want people to tell someone their method is dangerous or unlikely to work then let's just start letting people OD on tylenol or slit their wrist and never tell them why it's a bad idea. Just because someone is criticizing a method to keep someone out of harms way does not mean that they are doom-talking. Half the reason for this forum is for people to have a sounding board for bad ideas to prevent bad things from happening. If you want another method there's this whole site for you to find another one, but I am not going to be the one to advise you on it.

As for the kits, I don't know. I have never tried to purchase medical equipment from Amazon before.

so then you either say I don't know or you don't answer! Wow, overdosing on opioids via IV is as bad as slicing your wrist or taking Tylenol?? Where is the literature on that? Please link your source.
No, the doom talk is saying my method sucks, giving no further explanation, and then not telling me what to do because its 'against forum rules'
now you're just mocking me.

No it isn't. Half of this forum is people seeking information and getting advised on methods. I'm not asking you to help me die, or tell me how to do the method, or even a source for obtaining necessary materials.

Now that you've told me with great despair that IV is a bad way to insert fentanyl into my body, you have to tell me what I should do instead, otherwise I'll be clueless. And then the likelihood of me messing up in suicide is even greater because I'm uncertain! Yay!

And I'm sorry, I disagree with you. I think you're being overdramatic. People have suicided by IV who used this forum. A majority of people who I've asked about this say it's all right.
And are you saying shooting up like drug users do is not as deadly as regular IV?
Nursing students have advised its the best way to do it too. it looks learnable and it is OK for it to be robust because I'm trying to commit suicide, not safely deliver an IV.
Please, you're honestly making it even more unsafe for me by saying oh IV is bad and then not telling me what is better, leaving me without an ROA.

Can anyone come in here and correct this person? It's kind of cruel for someone who says they're knowledgeable to make someone question their reality.
I love the fact that I came away with no more information than I had before and more doubt. This person comes in, not knowing the answer to my question but instead tries to fill my head with doubt. This is the biggest problem I have with this forum. Again, I don't know if it's because pro-lifers don't have another outlet to express their opinions on this forum, but it's damaging.

 

[willitpass]

so then you either say I don't know or you don't answer! Wow, overdosing on opioids via IV is as bad as slicing your wrist or taking Tylenol?? Where is the literature on that? Please link your source.
No, the doom talk is saying my method sucks, giving no further explanation, and then not telling me what to do because its 'against forum rules'
now you're just mocking me.

No it isn't. Half of this forum is people seeking information and getting advised on methods. I'm not asking you to help me die, or tell me how to do the method, or even a source for obtaining necessary materials.

Now that you've told me with great despair that IV is a bad way to insert fentanyl into my body, you have to tell me what I should do instead, otherwise I'll be clueless. And then the likelihood of me messing up in suicide is even greater because I'm uncertain! Yay!

And I'm sorry, I disagree with you. I think you're being overdramatic. People have suicided by IV who used this forum. A majority of people who I've asked about this say it's all right.
And are you saying shooting up like drug users do is not as deadly as regular IV?
Nursing students have advised its the best way to do it too. it looks learnable and it is OK for it to be robust because I'm trying to commit suicide, not safely deliver an IV.
Please, you're honestly making it even more unsafe for me by saying oh IV is bad and then not telling me what is better, leaving me without an ROA.

Can anyone come in here and correct this person? It's kind of cruel for someone who says they're knowledgeable to make someone question their reality.
I love the fact that I came away with no more information than I had before and more doubt. This person comes in, not knowing the answer to my question but instead tries to fill my head with doubt. This is the biggest problem I have with this forum. Again, I don't know if it's because have another outlet to express their opinions on this forum, but it's damaging.

If me saying that inserting an IV into yourself without any medical knowledge is going to be difficult and I wouldn't recommend it is making you question your own reality I think you need to take a break from the internet for a little bit. You've also twisted my words from saying starting an IV on yourself is a bad idea into me somehow telling a bunch of stuff I never said? And no, it is not my job to tell you a new method just because I told you I don't recommend you inserting an IV on yourself. Advising people on what method they should use goes against forum rules and trying to guilt me into going against forum rules is not going to achieve anything. People get told every single day here that their method is unadvisable. It happens all the time. That's part of what this forum is for. If you want to believe I'm trying to confuse you or I'm somehow pro-life and believe every method is bad then that's your opinion to carry on having. I'm done with this argument. Have a good day.

 

[CatLvr]

I think I am beginning to see why people aren't responding to your threads.

Also, if you had read the megathread on opioids (no, I am not going to go find it and link it for you as I'm pretty sure someone already provided you a link in another one of your threads) you'd know that you would have a hard time getting enough of an entire dose of any opioid into you before you passed out. Does it happen? Sure. Is it RELIABLE?? No.

And the funniest thing I have read since I've been here is that @willitpass is a pro-lifer. You are really just a tad bit tone-deaf.

And no, it's okay. I won't be responding to anymore of your threads.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Alright. I'm jumping in here. OP, your approach and attitude (super pushy/condescending) towards people is likely why people are bowing out, like I did. IN THEORY, Preparing a shot of F in a regular ol syringe to attempt OD isn't hard nor complicated, there are entire other clearnet sources for this, your whole vibe is sus.

(EDIT: this does not mean I am suggesting this method, as it is often deemed unreliable, this is merely a response to a lot of repetitive posts. )

 

[xandermax]

OP may be experiencing the after-effects of non fatal opioid overdose.

In 2013 I attempted an overdose of heroin mixed with benzos and struggled to use my hands for weeks to months afterward, probably from being hypoxic enough to do damage but not enough to ctb.

Not to mention the abject sense of failure and panic when i woke up. It's a shitty place to be.

 

[Lady Laudanum]

It's not what you're asking, but the way you're asking repeatedly and arguing with everyone that is annoying people.

 

[nottinghams]

Okay, I apologize. when my ctb failed last time it was extremely harrowing and i wasn't sure if i had to drop my whole method or not (which would've broke my heart) and so im very nervous.
UNRELIABLE is different from highly inadvisable. maybe I missed that somewhere in what willitpass said (no sarcasm, i might've) but I didn't see them say 'reliable'
plus i just want to know - hanging is talked about regularly on this site and is attempted and advised more than opiates?? like i understand if there's less INFO on opiates but it is not the same thing as 'bad'
and suicide itself is an unreliable thing, just like accidental death. just comes with the territory.

I'm sorry for any slight paraphrasing btw.

i've been told IV is 'the best' many times (and including other users saying they're addicts and health pros) and I really didn't think I, not a pro, could do it. then I googled it and it looked learnable. several of these users agreed.
if i have to worry now about the 'passing out before enough is injected' thing then i'd like to ask about that. Should I create a new thread?

honestly aside from that and wondering if the kits are any good (still uncertain though im thinking it might be better to purchase serpate supplies) I might have all the info I need.
Please don't scare me into thinking I have to pick something different like that. Perhaps I'll make another separate thread (laterer) asking whats as high bio-avail as IV but more reliable.
want to note really quickly I don't like have IV saline bags on a hook like in the ER or anything i was going to inject the solution into a cannula through a butterfly needle in my arm but if that's crazy and its supposed to be different let me know.








and just like my venting thread I really want to apologize for being combative, condescending, or difficult. I mean it. its not fair to you or to me and im humble enough to admit it and do what someone says so I actually get proper use and enjoyment from this site.
but its kind of pathetic to go and apologize again and again on this thread so im gonna keep it short and say sorry I'll do better and progress to what I need to do now.

 

[nottinghams]

Alright. I'm jumping in here. OP, your approach and attitude (super pushy/condescending) towards people is likely why people are bowing out, like I did. IN THEORY, Preparing a shot of F in a regular ol syringe to attempt OD isn't hard nor complicated, there are entire other clearnet sources for this, your whole vibe is sus.

(EDIT: this does not mean I am suggesting this method, as it is often deemed unreliable, this is merely a response to a lot of repetitive posts. )

what does my vibe being sus mean? do you think I work for the BBC?


this is not a hostile statement. just a curious one.

 

[nottinghams]

IVs are different to what you are describing. An IV is a needle used to insert a cannula, the needle is then taken out and a little tube sits in your vein. This is dressed and kept in your vein with tubing attached. A syringe must be attached to the tube to inject any meds into your vein.

Drug users simply use a needle that they guide right into the vein and then immediately withdraw after shooting up with a syringe. It has to be the right kind of syringe that is long enough and the right thickness to entire into the vein.

Insulin needs are subcutaneous needles, meaning they are very short needles that only enter into the subcutaneous tissue, or a fatty layer of tissue very close to the skin. They do not reach muscle nor are they injecting into a vein. Only certain medications (such as insulin or blood thinners) can be given via this route. Giving a non subcutaneous med through this route will cause problems such as pain and swelling, but the medication would not be delivered properly and will likely not have the desired effect. Fentanyl like medications are not meant to be given this way.

IM, or intramuscular injections are given through a longer needle the is going to get to the muscular tissue, deeper than subcutaneous. It does not deliver it into the vein, it delivers it into the muscle. Again, only certain medications can be delivered this way, such as vaccines. Giving a medication that isn't meant to be given this way is going to cause problems but not give you the desired result.

Without proper knowledge about what you are doing this is a method more likely to cause problems than anything. Everything I just mentioned doesn't even get into thinks such as needle gauge size and the likes. Just because it is a needle doesn't mean it is what you are looking for.

I decided to reread your whole comment much more carefully.
I know about needle gouges and sizes. I have gotten blood work done from a vein in my arm multiple times a year for most of my life. my veins have always been very apparent and very visible. As well as also being larger. I know this makes starting an IV easier.
I know I have to use more than just any needle. I know about subcutaneous and IM, and that IM too can actually fail to give me my desired result. This was the Route I used that apparently was half the reason why my ctb failed.

and I know that IV refers to the needle with the cannula as you said. They often use a butterfly needle. 'IV' is just often used to refer to this route.
The only times IV is used regularly on a person that I know of is bloodwork like I had and in-hospital medication and drip bags.
I can promise you I am not referring to a drip bag or continuous IV for my application.
I am just choosing IV because it has a 100% bio availability rate, as well as instantaneous delivery (the most out of most routes such as subq, im, rectal, snort, etc.) Which obviously makes it the most fatal, which we want lol.
I see no difference between drug users 'shooting up' as you described and starting an IV on myself (like with bloodwork) both are IV as they channel directly into the vein. But you let me know if there is.

I was thinking maybe it was better to start a cannula on myself than to shoot straight up because I might not deliver enough medication to die. All that cannula is going to be is the exact same as a blood draw but quickly injecting something instead.

So yes, I think I know a lot of necessary details already and when I google videos intended for nursing students, it seems learnable to me. And I am not trying to safely deliver a medication, of course. It can be rudimentary.
And I'm really tired right now because I'm tired all the time from being continuously sick so maybe im forgetting things, but I have had conversations with users that are drug users and users who say they are in a medical field, Who say they think I can do it.

Perhaps we really just misunderstood each other.
This thread itself was created to see if I could save costs by purchasing a kit intended for students instead. Now I hope I've corrected myself a little, and that you see this message.

don't see how now that IV is not a great choice... So I hope you reply and I hope you agree with that.
Otherwise, idk.

i'm sorry about all that. No hard feelings I hope.

 

[Sunset Limited]

It is not difficult to insert a cannula into your own vein. Since my method is propofol, I did a lot of IV exercises. My mother was in the hospital for months. I had the opportunity to watch the nurses. It was a great education for me. I watched videos on Youtube also. On my first try, I inserted a 22g cannula into a large vein near the antecubital fossa. It is definitely not a very difficult task, but the point is to understand the procedure very well and to practice a lot before CTB! Even a nurse is not as good as me at inserting a cannula into herself now. I have done this many times. I usually do this to measure the flow rate of my injection system. I made a gravity fed injection system that works with 3 syringes. Learning an IV is definitely not difficult if you are really determined. The point is, a lot of practice. Be very careful about sterilization! This is my injection system.

 

[suffering_mo]

OP may be experiencing the after-effects of non fatal opioid overdose.

In 2013 I attempted an overdose of heroin mixed with benzos and struggled to use my hands for weeks to months afterward, probably from being hypoxic enough to do damage but not enough to ctb.

Not to mention the abject sense of failure and panic when i woke up. It's a shitty place to be.

This is.... quite concerning. Any idea why it failed?

 

[xandermax]

This is.... quite concerning. Any idea why it failed?

In my case, it didn't work because i already had an opioid tolerance, and i also no doubt had some buprenorphine (similar to methadone but it also blocks other opioids like heroin) in my system.

 

[sevennn]

It is not difficult to insert a cannula into your own vein. Since my method is propofol, I did a lot of IV exercises. My mother was in the hospital for months. I had the opportunity to watch the nurses. It was a great education for me. I watched videos on Youtube also. On my first try, I inserted a 22g cannula into a large vein near the antecubital fossa. It is definitely not a very difficult task, but the point is to understand the procedure very well and to practice a lot before CTB! Even a nurse is not as good as me at inserting a cannula into herself now. I have done this many times. I usually do this to measure the flow rate of my injection system. I made a gravity fed injection system that works with 3 syringes. Learning an IV is definitely not difficult if you are really determined. The point is, a lot of practice. Be very careful about sterilization! This is my injection system.

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are you gonna be using propofol only?

 

[schrei_nach_liebe]

Most kits are sufficient. I learned IVs on myself when I was in a fraternity with a bunch of prior military guys who had loads of leftover kits, usually expired. We got over our hangovers with LR bags.

Then I learned them on other people, first adults, then neonates, then kiddos.

 

[Sunset Limited]

are you gonna be using propofol only?

Yes I will use 3 grams of propofol.

 

[sevennn]

Yes I will use 3 grams of propofol.

(sorry to derail the thread of the OP) i never hear propofol discussed on the forum, in your opinion it's a good method? i can get my hands on some but it's like 50/50 lidocaine and propofol. would the lidocaine mess it up in some way?

 

[Sunset Limited]

(sorry to derail the thread of the OP) i never hear propofol discussed on the forum, in your opinion it's a good method? i can get my hands on some but it's like 50/50 lidocaine and propofol. would the lidocaine mess it up in some way?

Propofol = N. Propofol or thiopental or N are offers golden standart of CTB. Propofol is IV use only ofc. You are talking about Anestofol. It is approved euthanasia drug and best form of propofol to CTB. Lidocaine is amid local anesthetic and highly cardiotoksic. So propofol induce coma and lidocaine stops heart. Good euthanasia drug.

 

[sevennn]

Propofol = N. Propofol or thiopental or N are offers golden standart of CTB. Propofol is IV use only ofc. You are talking about Anestofol. It is approved euthanasia drug and best form of propofol to CTB. Lidocaine is amid local anesthetic and highly cardiotoksic. So propofol induce coma and lidocaine stops heart. Good euthanasia drug.

yeah you are right. that's good to know. wow. i'm not bothering with questions or anything? i would go with this method but i'm so clueless. i feel like i'll fuck it up. i don't even know how many bottles of the stuff need it's never discussed on this forum either. ig no one else really has access to it. i should probably buy whil i have the chance