Are all trans people religious?

[x_LittleAmy_x]

I've been talking to a very nice trans member of SaSu on Twitter and there is something I don't understand.

My understanding of trans is that they feel they're spirits born in the wrong body?

So if all trans people believe in spirits and spirituality, are they religious by extension.

Sorry if this sounds weird I'm just wondering.

 

[RainAndSadness]

That's kinda a yikes take but I'll assume you're acting in good faith, so let me explain.

We're not spritis, being transgender has nothing to do with religion or spirituality. It simply means the gender identity of a person doesn't match their sex. In other words, I was assigned male at birth but I identify as a female. There is neurological evidence that supports the validity and existence of transgender people, for example trans people have a brain structure that resembles that of their preferred gender. We don't know the cause of transsexuality, from a scientific point of view but we know that supporting and validating transgender people and giving them the ability to transition into their identified gender reduces stress, pain and suicidal behavior, it's in fact the only known helpful treatment for gender dysphoria.

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

That's kinda a yikes take but I'll assume you're acting in good faith, so let me explain.

We're not spritis, being transgender has nothing to do with religion or spirituality. It simply means the gender identity of a person doesn't match their sex. In other words, I was assigned male at birth but I identify as a female. There is neurological evidence that supports the validity and existence of transgender people, for example trans people have a brain structure that resembles that of their preferred gender. We don't know the cause of transsexuality, from a scientific point of view but we know that supporting and validating transgender people and giving them the ability to transition into their identified gender reduces stress, pain and suicidal behavior, it's in fact the only known helpful treatment for gender dysphoria.

Gender identity or the wrong sex??

 

[RainAndSadness]

Gender identity or the wrong sex??

I'm not sure if I understand your question but generally speaking, it feels like we're born in the wrong sex, that's why we're transitioning to match the other sex as much as possible, to put it simple. This experience could be different for people that identify as non-binary or non-conforming but that's gonna make the whole subject even more complicating so I'll leave that out for now. In the end, it all comes down to our gender identity. What we identify as and how society perceives us - that's what matters most. We're still fighting for recognition and acceptance in many places all around the world.

 

[MoreThanAFeeling]

Something a teenager would ask

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

Something a teenager would ask

Sorry if the question is above your head.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Something a teenager would ask

they seem to just be trying to understand how it works. they cant be expected to know everything especially something they never experienced before

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

I'm not sure if I understand your question but generally speaking, it feels like we're born in the wrong sex, that's why we're transitioning to match the other sex as much as possible, to put it simple. This experience could be different for people that identify as non-binary or non-conforming but that's gonna make the whole subject even more complicating so I'll leave that out for now. In the end, it all comes down to our gender identity. What we identify as and how society perceives us - that's what matters most. We're still fighting for recognition and acceptance in many places all around the world.

What I mean is that gender is synonymous with sex - gender is defined as sex. But you seem to be talking about them as if they have different meanings.

 

[RainAndSadness]

What I mean is that gender is synonymous with sex - gender is defined as sex. But you seem to be talking about them as if they have different meanings.

Sex and gender have different meanings. That's from Google but most definitions, especially scientific definitions, make a distinction between gender (referring to social and cultural norms) and sex (referring to biology such as chromosomes and reproductive organs). Science made this distinction almost 40 years ago by the way.

Sex:


Gender:


Here is a scientific definition of gender by the WHO:

Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.

Edit:
If you want more details about the difference of both terms:

Gender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bat 17]

Took me a while to clear up sex and gender in my own mind although once it's explained the conceptual difference makes sense

My understanding of trans is that they feel they're spirits born in the wrong body?

Where did this stuff about spirits come from?

 

[Futile]

I would expect the opposite

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

Took me a while to clear up sex and gender in my own mind although once it's explained the conceptual difference makes sense

Where did this stuff about spirits come from?

Yeah I'm still unsure about the gender/sex thing.

I am talking with a member of SS on Twitter and she is trans. I felt obliged to educate myself and so I watched a video on YouTube and a person who is trans said that trans people are spirits born in the wrong body.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Yeah I'm still unsure about the gender/sex thing.

There is no scientific body that describes sex and gender as synonymous. I'm not sure what's the catch there. This is from the American Psychiatric Association:

I am talking with a member of SS on Twitter and she is trans. I felt obliged to educate myself and so I watched a video on YouTube and a person who is trans said that trans people are spirits born in the wrong body.

You shouldn't base your opinion of a very diverse group of people on one Youtube video. Just one suggestion because we're not a homogeneous group.

 

[Bat 17]

Yeah I'm still unsure about the gender/sex thing.

I am talking with a member of SS on Twitter and she is trans. I felt obliged to educate myself and so I watched a video on YouTube and a person who is trans said that trans people are spirits born in the wrong body.

I see. Seems an odd way of describing it but maybe you had to be there.

 

[StringPuppet]

Yeah I'm still unsure about the gender/sex thing.

I am talking with a member of SS on Twitter and she is trans. I felt obliged to educate myself and so I watched a video on YouTube and a person who is trans said that trans people are spirits born in the wrong body.

The spirit thing was probably just a bad metaphor they came up with

 

[Brink]

There is neurological evidence that supports the validity and existence of transgender people, for example trans people have a brain structure that resembles that of their preferred gender.

This is not true and is neurosexist. There is no such thing as a 'lady brain', and the search for sex differences in brains have been useless and can be seen as Patriarchy's attempt to justify itself in Science as it does in Religion.

Gender and sex are not synonymous. Sex is biological, and gender is the stereotypes associated with one of the two sexes.

You shouldn't base your opinion of a very diverse group of people on one Youtube video. Just one suggestion because we're not a homogeneous group.

I completely agree with this, though. No one person speaks for any community, and it's pretty transphobic (intentionally or in ignorance) to suggest their homogenous politically or in their beliefs.

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

This is not true and is neurosexist. There is no such thing as a 'lady brain', and the search for sex differences in brain function has been useless and can be seen as Patriarchy's attempt to justify itself in Science as it does in Religion.

Gender and sex are not synonymous. Sex is biological, and gender is the stereotypes associated with one of the two sexes.


I completely agree with this, though. No one person speaks for any community, and it's pretty transphobic (intentionally or in ignorance) to suggest their homogenous politically or in their beliefs.

This is incorrect.

There are sexual differences in brain function.
Search through the research undertaken by Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

I'll assume you're acting in good faith

Commendable, but a mistake in this case

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

Commendable, but a mistake in this case

@RainAndSadness Please stop this troll.

 

[Brink]

This is incorrect.

There are sexual differences in brain function.
Search through the research undertaken by Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.

I reworded it. You're right I think. But the point remains.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

@RainAndSadness Please stop this troll.

I'm not the one who LITERALLY posted evidence of my catfishing in a public thread

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

I'm not the one who LITERALLY posted evidence of my catfishing in a public thread

??

I'm not going to engage with you further.
I have no idea what your problem is with me.

 

[Amumu]

The study of the brain is very complex and indeed, it seems your brain is different

-According to your sexual orientation
-According to your sex at birth
-According to your gender

We've known the second one for a century, we've known the first one for decades and we've known the third one since recently.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

??

I'm not going to engage with you further.
I have no idea what your problem is with me.

Its something to do with fact that you only EVER post in threads about SS itself and the controversy it courts in public opinion, and you've never once talked about the experience of feeling suicidal nor tried to relate to another members experiences or cries for help.

Its the way you clearly just want to see this site burn and have shown a basic lack of empathy for other human beings.

 

[x_LittleAmy_x]

Its something to do with fact that you only EVER post in threads about SS itself and the controversy it courts in public opinion, and you've never once talked about the experience of feeling suicidal nor tried to relate to another members experiences or cries for help.

Its the way you clearly just want to see this site burn and have shown a basic lack of empathy for other human beings.

You need to look through my threads, as my first thread was about Asperger's and how this effects me.
I have spoken to a few people on here.

I am free to start and comment on whatever threads I like.

You are now on ignore.

 

[RainAndSadness]

This is not true and is neurosexist. There is no such thing as a 'lady brain', and the search for sex differences in brains have been useless and can be seen as Patriarchy's attempt to justify itself in Science as it does in Religion.

Gender and sex are not synonymous. Sex is biological, and gender is the stereotypes associated with one of the two sexes.


I completely agree with this, though. No one person speaks for any community, and it's pretty transphobic (intentionally or in ignorance) to suggest their homogenous politically or in their beliefs.

I never said there is a lady brain. Maybe you read the actual science behind it before you accuse me of sexism. Brains are very much non-binary but if you look it at from a scientific angle, you can put brains on a spectrum, most male and female brains tend to be on the opposite ends of that spectrum. Trans womens brains are generally closer to the brain of cis-women on said spectrum. That's how I try to explain it. Obviously, there is no stereotypical female brain but there are patterns that let us put these brains on a spectrum.

Also, if you deny these scientific studies, you're also denying the only legit biological evidence that actually validates us. I could do the same as you and call you a sexist for invalidating these scientific studies that have been replicated since the 1980s.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Here is a very good example of a human brain. As you can see, they're very complicated and you can't put them into categories but there are patterns that allow us to put them on a spectrum. And the studies referring to "trans brains" suggests there are more female or male characteristics depending on the gender identity of a (trans) person.




Here is a scientific article that explains the differences that occur in male and female brains and why they're too subtle to make any claims about the sex of a person - but you can certainly speculate about their gender based on these findings, so it's in no way a sexist claim. I just wanted to clarify my claims about brains because of the accusation that I'd spread neurosexist science and I take that very seriously. That wasn't my intention but I'm not gonna drop neurological evidence that actually validates the gender identity of trans people either. Doing so would only validate transphobes and their claims that we're delusional and crazy. Having such strong scientific evidence in our back that, to a certain degree, confirms our feelings and experience about our own gender is comforting and validating and as I said previously, these findings have been replicated for many decades.

 

[Bat 17]

This whole thread appears in a new light now, as trans-phobic and baiting our trans members