Discussion Anyone hope that death ISN'T just nothing?

[CantDoIt]

I get that most people think it's the most likely scenario, but does anyone else hope that there is more than an endless nothing after death?

I understand that maybe it wouldn't be worth risking, but the thing is that I am in this moment already suffering, and whether it's a void or something else I will end up there eventually.

In the relative space of the universe, it doesn't matter whether I die now or later because in the end it's the same result and the amount of time I felt I experienced would be the same (no time at all) if it's a void. A void means no suffering, but if there is an afterlife or reincarnation, going by NDEs, it also means there is no suffering...until the next life, of course.

I don't believe in any kind of hellish realm for various reasons.

I don't want this to be the end, but if this is to be my life I just don't want it. It feels too unreal and bad.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i want nothingness forever / non-existence forever. I have had enough of existence / consciousness . What do u want to do for a trillion to the quadrillion power years? I wouldn't want to exist for a minute .

Just A trillion to the power 10 years how big a number is that?

A trillon to the power 2 is 1 trillion multiplied by a trillion . that big number is again mulitiplied by a trillion to get to the power 3. so to the power 10 is doing that 10 times. do it a trillion more times . what would you do for a trillion to the quadrillion to the quadrillion power years and that's just a start to infinity.

To get a visualization of how unimaginably big a trillion is

 

[CantDoIt]

No i want nothingness forever . I have had enough of existence / consciousness . What do u want to do for a trillion to the quadrillion power years?

A trillion to the power 10 years

There are things about life that I enjoy/ed. I would like to have a peaceful, normal, enjoyable life instead of a life where I made all the wrong decisions and had 5 mental illnesses and the world maybe hadn't gone to shit.

Or, if there's an afterlife, I would like to understand what it's like to be one with everything or to be healed for some time.

 

[theboy]

I wouldn't exactly consider it as hope...

 

[Plentiful_Despair]

I damn sure want none of any shit thats written in any religious books, the descriptions of heaven are as retarded as hell. And re-incarnation also sounds like torture.

Non-existence is the closest to heaven this cursed species will ever get.

 

[justamirror]

I have high hopes there is something else. Maybe something entirely different from whatever this is. I have taken alot of psychedelics like DMT and LSD. But I fear there is nothing. maybe that is true in a sense. I will cease to be. Maybe im a part of something entirely different that is being funneled into whatever this reality is. Im not just one thing im something else. maybe...

If it is simple nothingness I am okay with that but would be epic if something else endured

 

[CantDoIt]

I have high hopes there is something else. Maybe something entirely different from whatever this is. I have taken alot of psychedelics like DMT and LSD. But I fear there is nothing. maybe that is true in a sense. I will cease to be. Maybe im a part of something entirely different that is being funneled into whatever this reality is. Im not just one thing im something else. maybe...

I had an LSD trip and in the trip felt distinctly as if I was a piece of the universe manifesting. I imagined the universe as a great, expansive sort of overarching "covering" that stretched infinitely and saw the tendrils of the universe stretching downward and at the end of the tendril was me, a sort of shadow puppet to the universe of sorts. I saw other people as other tendrils. It was crazy.

 

[BRAINWORMS]

Yes. I've been obsessed with NDEs for this exact reason. I don't hope for any kind of heaven or hell as written in any long-standing religious tradition, but I do hope for some sort of tranquility and unity with the universe.

 

[justkatie]

Gosh no. Not for me. I'm hoping death IS the end as I'm just done with it all.

 

[justamirror]

I had an LSD trip and in the trip felt distinctly as if I was a piece of the universe manifesting. I imagined the universe as a great, expansive sort of overarching "covering" that stretched infinitely and saw the tendrils of the universe stretching downward and at the end of the tendril was me, a sort of shadow puppet to the universe of sorts. I saw other people as other tendrils. It was crazy.

you should try DMT lol or high dose of salvia. I haven't tried a really high dose of salvia but I've read ALOT of mindbending experiences to include someone living around 40 years in another life with a wife and family - came back and was freaking out asking for his salvia family. Its common to get a whooshing effect like your being sucked up or moved somewhere else on salvia.

 

[Rio79]

La vita per molti è una cosa meravigliosa e io rispetto il loro pensiero, ma molti non capiscono che la vita per altri è una tortura da quando sono nati ne ho passate di cotte e di crude un padre manesco poi un padrigno oltre che manesco mi dava colpe non mie. Sono cresciuto tra con complessi di inferiorità e scatti di ira. Ho pensato molte volte di farla finita ma non ci sono mai riuscito. Ma adesso non ne posso più sto vivendo una situazione che mi sta mangiando da dentro come un cancro. Ho una moglie e un figlio che mi rende orgoglioso ma non riesco più a vedere nulla di positivo nella vita sto solo cercando la pace mi sono stufato di tutto mi manca solo un po' di supporto da gente che capisce ciò che voglio dire e fare.

 

[CantDoIt]

you should try DMT lol or high dose of salvia. I haven't tried a really high dose of salvia but I've read ALOT of mindbending experiences to include someone living around 40 years in another life with a wife and family - came back and was freaking out asking for his salvia family. Its common to get a whooshing effect like your being sucked up or moved somewhere else on salvia.

Wow, that's insane. Kind of feel bad for that guy.

I have had DMT and didn't get anything ultra specific, kind of vague. But what it was was a sense of extreme joy / love (as if something or the universe was taking care of me) and the sense that I was transported to the edge of the universe and that there were beings just outside who cared for me.
But that I couldn't quite reach them. That one sounds a little more like an NDE.

Yes. I've been obsessed with NDEs for this exact reason. I don't hope for any kind of heaven or hell as written in any long-standing religious tradition, but I do hope for some sort of tranquility and unity with the universe.

People who have NDEs are like super sure they are real so I'm going with them. I might as well believe in that to make myself feel better.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

Yeah, for me personally I think it'd be great if I were reincarnated as a filthy rich german who lives next to the autobahn

 

[anxiousguineapig]

I guess some kind of afterlife that is totally blissful/peaceful/happy for infinity would be the best possible outcome by definition, so yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case. I have a hard time imagining how that's actually possible though. At some point I think any kind existence would get boring, if not exhausting. I'd say the closest I get to any kind of spirituality is that I believe humans are fundamentally limited and that we are not built for any kind of eternity. But of course if any afterlife is real then we're talking about things that are totally incomprehensible to us, so who knows.

 

[avalonisburning]

Look at it this way: humans have literally no frame of reference for true "nothingness." It couldn't just be an inky black void, because you would need a mind to perceive and process color and the concept of a void. So there are infinite possibilities for what "nothing" in terms of what you would see after death could entail, and none of them are what we would expect, because we would have to cross the threshold of relinquishing our existing sensory and cognitive systems to see it, which is impossible to do while we're alive.

 

[kinderbueno]

I'd prefer nothingness but if I went to heaven that'd be pretty decent. I'd hate to be reincarnated though, or go to hell. Both sound terrible

 

[divinemistress36]

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Yes. I've been obsessed with NDEs for this exact reason. I don't hope for any kind of heaven or hell as written in any long-standing religious tradition, but I do hope for some sort of tranquility and unity with the universe.

I watch ndes all the time on YouTube

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

Well, there could always be an option of having another life somewhere in the universe, constantly, forever...one followed by another. And I do not mean being just reincarnated here on Earth, this philosophy would include life everywhere in the universe. And it would include not remembering anything from any past lives, obviously.

 

[AAE]

what would you do to the trillion to the quadrillion to the quadrillion power years and that's just a start to infinity.

Time doesn't exist in infinity/eternity. Countless NDE's have witnessed that time doesn't exist in the spiritual realm, only a constant present. It's much simpler than we imagine it to be. A bit like animals live in nature, or nature itself.

I would never ever want non-existence, I've been robbed of my hopes and dreams in life, become very sick and aged prematurely, had my soulmate murdered and I want justice in the afterlife, a completely peaceful, most simple existence, but of course my primitive mind wishes for the ability to live the way we dreamed of.

 

[littleinsanity]

Well, there could always be an option of having another life somewhere in the universe, constantly, forever...one followed by another. And I do not mean being just reincarnated here on Earth, this philosophy would include life everywhere in the universe. And it would include not remembering anything from any past lives, obviously.

The idea of not being myself anymore and forgetting my suffering in itself hurts, as without the memories and everything I've went through I'd like to know what makes me, me. If there is reincarnation, in a way it seems the same as simply ceasing to exist as who "I" am is gone and I'd be used for the creation of something/someone new. idk.
(I hope my thoughts made any sense)

 

[Forever Sleep]

I used to want there to be a heaven. That I'd get to see my deceased family members again. Honestly though, even that doesn't seem all that appealing now. They woudn't approve of how I'm living. They'd be disappointed in me in some ways. Especially if I killed myself. Plus, they'd know how unhappy I've been. I don't think I'd want to see my child or grandchild this unhappy. Maybe they'll think I should have tried harder to avoid all this. Then I think- beyond a nice warm hug (difficult without a body,) why would I even want all that judgement? And, what the hell are you supposed to do with forever? It was weird the first time I realised that even heaven sounded unappealing! And in any case, what's so great about anything we don't get a choice in?

With regards to reincarnation, I just don't know but I feel like, if any part of us is recycled, it's not the bit we understand to be 'us'. Our memories, our personal sense of self. If we reincarnate here and have been for however many billions of years then, I feel like it's a factory reset each time as it were.

Paraphrasing Ricky Gervais here: 'When I die, I'll come back as somebody else'... 'Erm, I think that will just be somebody else.'

But then, I'm not trying to knock other people's beliefs. They may well be right. Who knows?

 

[CantDoIt]

The idea of not being myself anymore and forgetting my suffering in itself hurts, as without the memories and everything I've went through I'd like to know what makes me, me. If there is reincarnation, in a way it seems the same as ceasing to exist and being used for something/someone new. idk.
(I hope my thoughts made any sense)

My concept of what makes you, you, is perspective. I see reincarnation as the ability to close one's eyes (die), open them again, and be tuned into a new channel (life again).
Basically, you know the way you are confined to your own head? Like that, but with a new set of circumstances that you are now experiencing.
There are supposedly things you can kind of carry over to the next life in these types of theories. Maybe you have a different outlook or intuition, maybe you have a sense of what happened last time around, an ability to avoid certain circumstances. No idea.

 

[Qevyn]

I do hope there is Heaven or some type of afterlife. One of the main reasons I haven't committed is fear or "nothingness". Even though I hate that I exist, this fear keeps me here.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No. I want death to be permanent non existence. Permanent non existence is the most peaceful thing that can happen to me

 

[CantDoIt]

I do hope there is Heaven or some type of afterlife. One of the main reasons I haven't committed is fear or "nothingness". Even though I hate that I exist, this fear keeps me here.

Same. Honestly, it's also insulting to me because if there is "nothing" I won't be able to experience it. But I still sort of dislike it which again doesn't make sense.

 

[littleinsanity]

I used to want there to be a heaven. That I'd get to see my deceased family members again. Honestly though, even that doesn't seem all that appealing now. They woudn't approve of how I'm living. They'd be disappointed in me in some ways. Especially if I killed myself. Plus, they'd know how unhappy I've been. I don't think I'd want to see my child or grandchild this unhappy. Maybe they'll think I should have tried harder to avoid all this. Then I think- beyond a nice warm hug (difficult without a body,) why would I even want all that judgement? And, what the hell are you supposed to do with forever? It was weird the first time I realised that even heaven sounded unappealing! And in any case, what's so great about anything we don't get a choice in?

With regards to reincarnation, I just don't know but I feel like, if any part of us is recycled, it's not the bit we understand to be 'us'. Our memories, our personal sense of self. If we reincarnate here and have been for however many billions of years then, I feel like it's a factory reset each time as it were.

Paraphrasing Ricky Gervais here: 'When I die, I'll come back as somebody else'... 'Erm, I think that will just be somebody else.'

But then, I'm not trying to knock other people's beliefs. They may well be right. Who knows?

I feel exactly the same, how is that really still "us" as what defines us ceases to exist? I'd like to say we'll find out but we won't, because we certainly don't know that right now either. (Assuming we have reincarnated)
In that sense, simply ceasing to exist and for there to be "nothing" seems the the obvious and logical answer.

That said, i'd love for there to be more after death though, something like an afterlife or anything could be the "truth" that only makes sense once you experience it, perhaps only during an intermediary phase between death and the subsequence of it.

At the same time concept of afterlife and heaven as such are terrifying as either people lose a sense of self or it cannot be any different than earth, because how can you have a sense of self and not have any conflict or pain? And an eternal life on something like earth is uhhh something?
The only way that would work is if we each get something like our own realm but then it feels like I'm talking about magic and unicorns or simply living in a dream as who you interact with wouldn't be real but your own creations to satisfy yourself.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I feel exactly the same, how is that really still "us" as what defines us ceases to exist? I'd like to say we'll find out but we won't, because we certainly don't know that right now either. (Assuming we have reincarnated)
In that sense, simply ceasing to exist and for there to be "nothing" seems the the obvious and logical answer.

That said, i'd love for there to be more after death though, something like an afterlife or anything could be the "truth" that only makes sense then.

At the same time concept of afterlife and heaven as such are terrifying as either people lose a sense of self or it cannot be any different than earth, because how can you have a sense of self and not have any conflict or pain? And an eternal life on something like earth is uhhh something?
The only way that would work is if we each get something like our own realm but then it feels like I'm talking about magic and unicorns or simply living in a dream as who you interact with wouldn't be real but your own creations to satisfy yourself.

I also hoped- kind of still hope for that idea of resolution/ revelation at the end. To find out what it's all truly been about (if anything.)

Also, just the most ridiculously unimportant statistics like- how many steps I walked, how many times I sneezed, how many litres of water I drank. Totally unimportant facts about my life. Lol.

 

[Hotsackage]

All the evidence says the brain is seat of consciousness, which I'm fine with. Whether or not it is the total process behind it, I have no idea.

 

[littleinsanity]

My concept of what makes you, you, is perspective. I see reincarnation as the ability to close one's eyes (die), open them again, and be tuned into a new channel (life again).
Basically, you know the way you are confined to your own head? Like that, but with a new set of circumstances that you are now experiencing.
There are supposedly things you can kind of carry over to the next life in these types of theories. Maybe you have a different outlook or intuition, maybe you have a sense of what happened last time around, an ability to avoid certain circumstances. No idea.

I get what you mean but also not really because to me a sense of self is very strictly defined by my memories and experiences to the point I feel like even amnesia is not so different than the death of a person. Though I suppose it also makes sense because the "new" person may be defined as a reincarnation then? Idk lol this is too big brain stuff

 

[cobe47]

i'm sick of existing, the ideas of endless reincarnating or being condemned to an eternal existence in an afterlife both horrify me