Method Anyone have any idea how painful drowning is as a method?

[MiMif]

I'm looking for methods

 

[Geist]

Hm. I don't know if drowning is necessarily painful. Obviously, I never drowned, so I can't know for sure. I'd imagine the worst part would be inhaling all the water, because you will gasp for air, even while drowning. I don't imagine it would take long before you'd become unconcious, but your survival instinct will be going crazy, and I imagine you'd feel immense panic, similar as if you were jumping from somewhere really high.

There's only one way I could think of where drowning probably wouldn't be all that bad, but I'm quite confused about these forums rules, so I don't know if I'm allowed to give you that suggestion. Maybe you can figure it out yourself?

 

[samsara_96]

I looked this up because I want my body to be thrown into the ocean after I die but I know that nobody would do that for me. Hence, I assumed that I could peacefully throw myself to the ocean but I learned that drowning is extremely painful unless you take some intoxicants beforehand and even then as Geist mentioned SI will definitely kick in and you will try to get out of the water. In addition, you can be saved with a brain damage even after you pass out. So, you would need to make sure that you will be out of reach at least for 15 minutes just to be safe.

 

[gorb]

i heard from a drowning survivor, that drowning is actually quite peaceful. At first they panicked and tried to escape. But suddenly everything went silent and they slowly lost consciousness. i don't know how true this is, it's just what i heard from someone once.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

When you are unconscious (in coma) you might not feel suffocation and how it feels to breath water.

If you want to know how it feels, try to breath water. I'd say this is very unpleasant until you pass out due to lack of oxygen.

 

[Dying Knight]

When you hold your breath underwater having your nose closed by a hand, you usually go through 3 stages before you pass out.

1. You don't feel an urge to breathe.
2. You feel an urge to breathe that increases til reaching some maximum.
3. You feel lightheadedness and don't feel an urge to breathe anymore.

After losing consciousness you won't wake up anymore unless some external force prevents your drowning.

Stages 1 and 2 may be skipped by using hyperventilation followed by inhaling an asphyxiant gas (e.g. nitrogen or butane) right before holding breath and diving. In this case, passing out may happen in less than 1 minute of breath hold without noticeable unpleasant feelings.

 

[hunterfla]

Unfortunately, the only people qualified to answer this question are dead. Everything else is speculation and conjecture.

 

[twatingthroughlife]

i heard from a drowning survivor, that drowning is actually quite peaceful. At first they panicked and tried to escape. But suddenly everything went silent and they slowly lost consciousness. i don't know how true this is, it's just what i heard from someone once.

I am a drowning survivor as well, and I had the same exact experience, which is why I was actually considering this method, but I've also heard the opposite experience from other people so I don't know if I'd ever try to drown again.

 

[Dying Knight]

Unfortunately, the only people qualified to answer this question are dead. Everything else is speculation and conjecture.

Since people may lie, even assuming that their stories are truthful is "speculation and conjecture".

 

[lebrodude]

I'm not sure if it will be painfuil or not, but one thing is for sure when you are submerged it will be fairly quick.
I imagine it's quite scary, but feel this can be limited if you are heavily sedated at the time, perhaps combining alcohol with benzodiazapines and/or sleeping pills.

Let's face it there are no quick or easy options with this sadly.

 

[Dying Knight]

Let's face it there are no quick or easy options with this sadly.

1 minute for hyperventilation, 10 - 60 seconds for inhaling butane (cheap gas which may be bought in many shops) till feeling faintness, < 1 minute for passing out underwater. I think, this procedure is fast and easy enough.

 

[lebrodude]

1 minute for hyperventilation, 10 - 60 seconds for inhaling butane (cheap gas which may be bought in many shops) till feeling faintness, < 1 minute for passing out underwater. I think, this procedure is fast and easy enough.

Yeah in the grand scheme of things a few minutes or so is fairly quick.

I think most people though when they think quick prefer a more instant option.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

When you hold your breath underwater having your nose closed by a hand, you usually go through 3 stages before you pass out.

1. You don't feel an urge to breathe.
2. You feel an urge to breathe that increases til reaching some maximum.
3. You feel lightheadedness and don't feel an urge to breathe anymore.

After losing consciousness you won't wake up anymore unless some external force prevents your drowning.

Stages 1 and 2 may be skipped by using hyperventilation followed by inhaling an asphyxiant gas (e.g. nitrogen or butane) right before holding breath and diving. In this case, passing out may happen in less than 1 minute of breath hold without noticeable unpleasant feelings.

How long from the initial feelings of having the urge to breath would it take to get from 2. to 3. approximately?

 

[Dying Knight]

How long from the initial feelings of having the urge to breath would it take to get from 2. to 3. approximately?

I repeated my experiment with breath holding after hyperventilation and got the following results.

Stage 1: 0 - 1:42
Stage 2.1 (transition from low to max urge): 1:42 - 2:20
Stage 2.2 (max urge): 2:20 - 2:57
Stage 2.3 (weakening the urge): 2:57 - 3:10 (end of experiment)

I didn't wait until the urge would vanish completely, because this may have bad impact on memory. Stage 2.2 was really hard to endure this time. I think, many people would just start inhaling water or get out of it. And I've read that some people really inhale water when they feel a strong urge to breathe and they reach stage 3 quickly then. Of course I wouldn't try to inhale water on purpose for checking my possible feelings in such a situation, because this is very dangerous.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I repeated my experiment with breath holding after hyperventilation and got the following results.

Stage 1: 0 - 1:42
Stage 2.1 (transition from low to max urge): 1:42 - 2:20
Stage 2.2 (max urge): 2:20 - 2:57
Stage 2.3 (weakening the urge): 2:57 - 3:10 (end of experiment)

I didn't wait until the urge would vanish completely, because this may have bad impact on memory. Stage 2.2 was really hard to endure this time. I think, many people would just start inhaling water or get out of it. And I've read that some people really inhale water when they feel a strong urge to breathe and they reach stage 3 quickly then. Of course I wouldn't try to inhale water on purpose for checking my possible feelings in such a situation, because this is very dangerous.

For stage 1 I've been able to hold my breath for about 3-4 minutes until stage 2.1 transition from low to max urge, so I wonder how that would change the time for the subsequent stages? It's something I'll have to figure out myself. Thank you once again for this info, it's really helpful indeed.

 

[Dying Knight]

For stage 1 I've been able to hold my breath for about 3-4 minutes until stage 2.1 transition from low to max urge

Wow, that's really long. Did you measure your time precisely with a real clock?

so I wonder how that would change the time for the subsequent stages? It's something I'll have to figure out myself.

I think, there is a little point in raping your lungs prematurely in case if you don't plan to die very soon. I'd rather try to obtain an asphyxiant gas in the first place. Having such a gas, you could go straight to stage 3 and save yourself from the difficulties with passing stage 2.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

Wow, that's really long. Did you measure your time precisely with a real clock?

I think, there is a little point in raping your lungs prematurely in case if you don't plan to die very soon. I'd rather try to obtain an asphyxiant gas in the first place. Having such a gas, you could go straight to stage 3 and save yourself from the difficulties with passing stage 2.

Earlier when you said inhale butane balloon is this the product you're referring to?:
Amazon product ASIN B00KAFA9FG I don't have any idea how to use this stuff lol. I've never used it before. And yes I agree with, your advice makes sense.

Wow, that's really long. Did you measure your time precisely with a real clock?

Yes I timed it but that was after doing a variation of the Wim Hof breathing when I did 5 rounds of 35 breaths, and eventually on the final round got just about to 4 minutes, only just. But thing is, those 5 rounds took about 30 minutes in total.

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

SWB was going to be my plan A method in hopes of it looking like an accident.
(Sn is plan B)

 

[Dying Knight]

Earlier when you said inhale butane balloon is this the product you're referring to?

Such balloons may work well too, but I think that gas dusters with butane or other asphyxiant gases could be better, because they may contain a less amount of odorants.

Gas duster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes I timed it but that was after doing a variation of the Wim Hof breathing when I did 5 rounds of 35 breaths, and eventually on the final round got just about to 4 minutes, only just. But thing is, those 5 rounds took about 30 minutes in total.

I forgot to mention that I held my breath with the normal volume of air in the lungs (neither full inhale nor full exhale). Which volume did you use?

 

[Kundalini Guy]

Probably 8/10 so very painful but it has very high death rate and you suffer for a short time. The death rate makes up for it, so if you have the courage to drown yourself you will have a high chance to CTB sucessfully.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

Such balloons may work well too, but I think that gas dusters with butane or other asphyxiant gases could be better, because they may contain a less amount of odorants.

Gas duster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I forgot to mention that I held my breath with the normal volume of air in the lungs (neither full inhale nor full exhale). Which volume did you use?

I held my breath on the exhale, but without forcing all the air out, similar to how Wim Hof explains on his YouTube video. But that was after doing about 5 rounds of 35 breathe in/breathe out. Similar to what you did I imagine. Thank you for all your help btw.

 

[Dying Knight]

I see 3 possible reasons for bigger time:

1. Your lungs may have a greater volume than mine.
2. Your very evil hyperventilation caused slow consumption of O2 due to reducing CO2 in the blood to very low levels.
3. You were more relaxed or your metabolism was less intense than mine, so the consumption of O2 was slower.

I presume that doing some exercises during breath hold could be useful for consuming O2 faster, so that the whole procedure would be accelerated and the time the brain suffers from hypoxia would be minimized. 4+ minutes of oxygen deprivation is a too big time.

 

[Mrpickles]

I've heard mixed results. Challenge is not many people have drowned and lived to talk about it. Only story I know is a guy who did and survived. He said it was painful, the first gasp for air was extremely painful, but then his lungs started to breathe water as if it was air and for a moment, he wondered how he was breathing water. Then started to slip into unconsciousness. He suffered some brain damage, so he may not be remembering it correctly. This was just hearsay to. I don't think it's very pleasant and SI would be in overdrive mode.

 

[annointed_towers]

Just dunk your head underwater and breathe during a bath. I've even been able to test breathing in water as I shower. It burns and is very unpleasant in the nose and that's even before it gets in the lungs

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

Just dunk your head underwater and breathe during a bath. I've even been able to test breathing in water as I shower. It burns and is very unpleasant in the nose and that's even before it gets in the lungs

that's interesting. how do you get the water out of your lungs?

 

[hopelessoceanic25]

This was always a method I considered because of how accessible it is. My biggest fear is being discovered and forcefully resuscitated.