Discussion Anyone ever wonder if death is worse than life?

[ThatStateOfMind]

Sometimes, no often, but sometimes, I worry there may be an afterlife and that it may be worse than life currently. I was brought up a Christian, with Jesus & Satan, Good & Evil, Heaven & Hell, etc. Obviously, I don't really believe in it now, but sometimes the worry of an afterlife, not even just the Christian ones, but one in general, might be worse than my current life. It doesn't help that all my life, whilst depressed, it was nailed into my head that people who commit suicide are sinners who committed murder and are going to hell. I think my fear of afterlife is rooted from that.

Anyways, does anyone have similar worries?

 

[vercabow]

i do yeah. personally i like to think that whatever happens after would be better than living, but of course i cannot be so sure. to me it's more or less a dice roll, but it's a chance i'm willing to take.

 

[Darkover]

well it's either nothing forever or rebirth
i personally hope to rest in peace for eternity but the universe might bring you alive again in one form or another
all i know is this one fucked up universe poorly designed hence it coming into existence from nothing

 

[Dai]

 

[Darkover]

he was closed minded not open to the possibility of having another life
While there's life, there is hope

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Eternal recurrence strikes me as plausible and terrifying. If I have to live again, please let me be different.

Truly eternal oblivion would be such a blessing.

 

[neenie]

Sometimes, no often, but sometimes, I worry there may be an afterlife and that it may be worse than life currently. I was brought up a Christian, with Jesus & Satan, Good & Evil, Heaven & Hell, etc. Obviously, I don't really believe in it now, but sometimes the worry of an afterlife, not even just the Christian ones, but one in general, might be worse than my current life. It doesn't help that all my life, whilst depressed, it was nailed into my head that people who commit suicide are sinners who committed murder and are going to hell. I think my fear of afterlife is rooted from that.

Anyways, does anyone have similar worries?

I do, but tell myself that the afterlife is probably not as bad as life to comfort myself

 

[TheHolySword]

Do prolifers ever wonder if death is better than life?

 

[pachamacha]

the only way it could be worse is if dying meant you are still living through human consious some how

death is not death if we have consiousness human awareness
no theres sense to that

if i can still suffer then i am not dead yet death means loss of life and loss of suffering

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

well it's either nothing forever or rebirth
i personally hope to rest in peace for eternity but the universe might bring you alive again in one form or another
all i know is this one fucked up universe poorly designed hence it coming into existence from nothing

I definitely think many, myself included, hope for eternal peace after death.

Eternal recurrence strikes me as plausible and terrifying. If I have to live again, please let me be different.

Truly eternal oblivion would be such a blessing.

I agree. If I am brought back, I just hope to have a much better life and a less broken brain

 

[pachamacha]

if there's a way for it to worse then death is not possible

and matter particles need to equal to gain there must be loss

Do prolifers ever wonder if death is better than life?

that would be prodeathers i guess that would be us

 

[alienfreak]

It's inevitable anyway. It's not like we can avoid death. So it makes no difference to me. Suicide is just an inconsequential little shortcut there

 

[pachamacha]

It's inevitable anyway. It's not like we can avoid death. So it makes no difference to me. Suicide is just an inconsequential little shortcut there

suicide speedrun life

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, I know that death isn't worse than life because death is just permanent non existence. All I do is follow the evidence and logic and this is where it has led me to. Permanent non existence can't be worse than life because it's impossible for people to suffer whilst being permanently non existence

 

[Darkover]

No, I know that death isn't worse than life because death is just permanent non existence.

yeah well nobody knows for 100 percent certainty i hope your right

 

[shadowsandink]

I have thought about it, but I don't think about it as there's no evidence of anything where the 'I' will still exist. I believe the "I" will cease to exist after death, and any form of continuation will not be 'me' anymore. I'll just become atoms and remnant 'memories' that will be part of the universe.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

yeah well nobody knows for 100 percent certainty i hope your right

Why do we need 100% certainty? If we operated with the principle of only determining if a concept is true or not depending on whether we have 100% certainty of the aforementioned concept, we wouldn't progress very far with technology and mathematical advancements. It's rare for something to have 100% certainty but what's important is making sure that we have a high percentage of certainty. I remember back at college when I learnt about hypothesis testing and it stated at how we can determine if the difference between two means is significantly different if the hypothesis test returns a value that is >95%. Not 100% but >95%. That's the sort of idea that I abide by when agreeing with a concept. I can say that I'm >95% certain that death is just permanent non existence and that's good enough for me. I don't need to be 100% sure because that's too high of a number and that isn't something that can currently be achievable

 

[pachamacha]

theres a limit to knowing like a guest log in a limit to accessing full database more question is how restricted our awareness ability to understand spectrem of colours has limits to a human eye pitch of noises we can not hear there's blindness we have limits on what we know there could be so much we are dumb to notice

 

[Darkover]

Why do we need 100% certainty? If we operated with the principle of only determining if a concept is true or not depending on whether we have 100% certainty of the aforementioned concept, we wouldn't progress very far with technology and mathematical advancements. It's rare for something to have 100% certainty but what's important is making sure that we have a high percentage of certainty. I remember back at college when I learnt about hypothesis testing and it stated at how we can determine if the difference between two means is significantly different if the hypothesis test returns a value that is >95%. Not 100% but >95%. That's the sort of idea that I abide by when agreeing with a concept. I can say that I'm >95% certain that death is just permanent non existence and that's good enough for me. I don't need to be 100% sure because that's too high of a number and that isn't something that can currently be achievable

nobody knows how consciousness manifest itself from basically nothing or how the universe came into being in the first place, nobody even knows what conscious is or how it works, yet your 95% certain death is permanent non-existence, the idea that consciousness ceases upon death and never returns, the nature of consciousness and the origin of the universe—both are profound mysteries that humanity has struggled with for centuries. Consciousness, in particular, remains one of the biggest unsolved problems in science and philosophy. We don't fully understand how it arises, how it works, or how it relates to the brain and body. Similarly, the question of how the universe came into being, whether through a Big Bang or something else, also remains shrouded in uncertainty.

When it comes to death and consciousness, the conclusion that consciousness ceases at death and that it leads to permanent non-existence is largely based on the current understanding of brain function and the absence of evidence for an afterlife or continued existence beyond death. Neuroscientific research suggests that consciousness is tied to the functioning of the brain, and when the brain ceases to function—at death—so does consciousness. However, this understanding doesn't claim absolute certainty, because it is based on the best available evidence at this point in time, which may evolve as we learn more about the brain and consciousness.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

No, I know that death isn't worse than life because death is just permanent non existence. All I do is follow the evidence and logic and this is where it has led me to. Permanent non existence can't be worse than life because it's impossible for people to suffer whilst being permanently non existence

This is an important point. Every day you're alive you run a nonzero risk of unspeakable pain by accident or maybe even torture. When you're dead the probability drops to zero.

 

[Broken247]

I wonder if when we're dead, we'll wish we were alive. If we do wish to be alive after we die, we probably would seek to reicarnate, and thus work through karmic lessons further. I do believe there is a waiting room there, that is sheol or hades; a place for dead souls.

 

[Darkover]

I wonder if when we're dead, we'll wish we were alive. If we do wish to be alive after we die

when your dead you no longer think at all so no you don't wish to be alive

we probably would seek to reicarnate, and thus work through karmic lessons further.

this just pure nonsense

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Death is eternal non-existence. therefore Death is much better than life because one can never suffer extremely if you don't exist. none of the 8 billion humans alive now could suffer before the year 1859 because none of these had been born yet including me. it will be like that again after the brain dies. existence is only consciousness and that is function of a brain that is alive , not severely damaged and awake / conssious. you don't exist when in a dreamless sleep .

the more and more you read books about brain science , evolution, genomics , molecular cell biology ,physics , chemistry, biology, neuroscience the more you see that a human is just a machine what is life etc. every paragraph confirms and fits together with others in different sciences.

the evidence is in every paragraph ,almost every line of many chapters in every science or technology book. for example a line in a Brain science book will cross confirm a line in a molecular biology book . they have references to diffferent experimentors confirming massive emperical evidence, libraries of books on the brain , cell biology, biology , evolution, chemistry, biology, molecular cell biology, genomics, DNA, physics all these books confirm each other . all would have to be false for a human not to be only cells , only a machine only chemistry reactions, only a small animal. they've been working hundreds of years to find out what life and a human is where life and humans originated . there is no question . it's been found out. the information is there in books , on the internet , etc.

you can read a book on molecular cell biology and dig deep into the inner workings of machines inside machines inside the cell universal to all life. there is no way they faked all that and to that detail , no way a computer simulation could be so exact nor any kind of manufactured fake could be so exact . some detail would break in the libraries of books. it doesn't . there is no way all life didn't orginate from one cell that is just a fact . all that i wrote here is all facts can be found with a simple internet search or ask chatgpt. it's a fact like the fact that we all will die .

none of the tech or science or meds would work if any part of biology or chemistry were false. either a soul exists or all science and tech is false both can't be true

@Darkover @ijustwishtodie i think all this post shows that 1 nano second after the brain dies a human ceases to exist forever. there is no evidence for any soul afterlife computer simulation nothing but massive evidence life is cells a human is only cells .

All Life on Earth Comes From One Single Ancestor. And It's So Much Older Than We Thought.

Scientists have pushed back LUCA’s origin by hundreds of millions of years.

www.popularmechanics.com

What Actually Is Consciousness, and How Did It Evolve?

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Consciousness is no exception—it seems nonphysical, but is very much a biological phenomenon.

www.psychologytoday.com

Is There Life After Death? The Mind-Body Problem

Death has never been popular. The intuition that the mind is more than the product of the brain and will survive its death feels correct, but is flatly contradicted by science.

www.psychologytoday.com

Life secret exposed: Scientists unlock mystery of molecular machine

A major mystery about the origins of life has been resolved. According to a study published in the journal Nature, two Université de Montréal scientists have proposed a new theory for how a universal molecular machine, the ribosome, managed to self-assemble as a critical step in the genesis of...

phys.org

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Nothing can't be worse than something

 

[Darkover]

Death is eternal non-existence. therefore Death is much better than life because one can never suffer extremely if you don't exist. none of the 8 billion humans alive now could suffer before the year 1859 because none of these had been born yet including me. it will be like that again after the brain dies. existence is only consciousness and that is function of a brain that is alive , not severely damaged and awake / conssious. you don't exist when in a dreamless sleep .

The assumption that death is a return to non-existence mirrors the idea of non-existence before birth. If you didn't suffer before birth, it's plausible you won't after death. However, this remains speculative because we lack definitive evidence about what happens after death.

In essence, while the assumption of non-existence before birth is practical and aligns with observable evidence, it's not something we can verify with absolute certainty.

There's no evidence or memory of existence before birth, which supports the idea that we didn't exist.

Just because we don't remember or perceive pre-birth existence doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. There could be forms of existence beyond our comprehension.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Why do we need 100% certainty? If we operated with the principle of only determining if a concept is true or not depending on whether we have 100% certainty of the aforementioned concept, we wouldn't progress very far with technology and mathematical advancements. It's rare for something to have 100% certainty but what's important is making sure that we have a high percentage of certainty. I remember back at college when I learnt about hypothesis testing and it stated at how we can determine if the difference between two means is significantly different if the hypothesis test returns a value that is >95%. Not 100% but >95%. That's the sort of idea that I abide by when agreeing with a concept. I can say that I'm >95% certain that death is just permanent non existence and that's good enough for me. I don't need to be 100% sure because that's too high of a number and that isn't something that can currently be achievable

agree and informative good post. this will help me with my si. one of the problems is i keep thinking i need to get my method / plan to 99.99% , perfectionism. because my fear of failure and remaining alive with brain damage is so great. but i'll look into that 95% hypothesis testing .

 

[danfritz]

It's inevitable anyway. It's not like we can avoid death. So it makes no difference to me. Suicide is just an inconsequential little shortcut there

I like that. Three sentences. Makes a hell of a lot of sense.

 

[isolatedl111]

In my own beliefs, death is peace. It will end the suffering we all endure.

 

[foreverlanguish]

Personally, for me, I think there is peace after death. It just doesn't make sense that any life after death would be necessarily bad, in fact, I just believe we go to our ideal afterlives, which could be bad or good depending on how you see it.

 

[h4rdyb0uyzz2]

I pondered on these thoughts while reading 2 books, one about the Comanche indians, and another about American slavery. What I wondered was whether the afterlife would be worse if I committed evils during my life. But reading about the brutality of the Comanches, and also the brutality of the Americans against both the natives and the slaves, helped me become satisfied that I lived with sufficient morals to earn a decent afterlife if there is one. Hope that helps.