Venting Anyone else get irritated by this?

[TeaPloom]

Do any of you guys just loathe when you see internet posts talking about the subject of suicide, and it ends with some garbage like: "people care about you!" along with the same old copy paste hotline numbers? Do they just not understand that not everyone whose having these thoughts is just having them on an impulsive whim and "need someone to talk to"? Maybe I'm just grumpy, but just looking at that crap makes me want to CTB out of pure spite. It's so annoying and generic, and I know for damn sure NONE and I mean absolutely NONE of the folk who go on and on about it would ever support people in their lives who struggle. In fact they will tend to make it about themselves and how "hard" it was for THEM to "deal" with the other person daring to have suicidal thoughts. I've seen it happen countless times.

All the activism regarding the topic of "suicide prevention" always seems hellbent on infantilizing people who've had those thoughts some point in time. It's always seen as something done out of pure emotion/lack of knowing better. But as someone whose dealt with these for almost a decade, it was never out of emotion. People cannot fathom that though, so most of the activism teaches people that we're "incapable" of rational thought. A lot of "mental healthcare" seems to punish the suicidal for the act of failing. (Mental health holds that are permanent on your record, firearms bans, disqualified from certain jobs because you're seen as "unreliable" due to the history, and last but least: medical debt)

I kind of went on a ramble here, but mental health/anti suicide activism is so angering to witness. It mainly helps some impulsive folk but for most folk it's empty promises. I know some may not relate to this, but it's nice to get it out.

 

[brnggundottxt]

I actually find it hilarious. I especially love it when politicians and 'advocates' talk about mental health when I know for a fact they contribute directly to suicidality through routine cronyism, bullyism and general shitbaggery.
I love the rapper logic LMAO.
I remember when I used to try to use googl3e or youtube for my ideation porn, amongst fucking pointless suicide squad trailers, there'd be phone numbers that would pop up that won't even be relevant or useful in my region.

I'm Sorry if it gets you down. I personally get a kick out of it.

 

[Sea Turtle]

It's all the same shit over and over again, even from therapists. I haven't heard any "advice" in years that I haven't heard before. In reality, there is nothing here that is meant to help people who are chronically suicidal. Hotlines help impulsive suicides, sure, but tell too much and you have a $40k debt more reason to want to die. Try to get help, and be forever judged and seen as "that depressed guy" who can't buy guns or perform jobs as you said.

You aren't alone in feeling like this, it just is unfortunately is the world we live in apparently. This place is at least somewhere to be more understood and heard

 

[TeaPloom]

I actually find it hilarious. I especially love it when politicians and 'advocates' talk about mental health when I know for a fact they contribute directly to suicidality through routine cronyism, bullyism and general shitbaggery.
I love the rapper logic LMAO.
I remember when I used to try to use googl3e or youtube for my ideation porn, amongst fucking pointless suicide squad trailers, there'd be phone numbers that would pop up that won't even be relevant or useful in my region.

I'm Sorry if it gets you down. I personally get a kick out of it.

I tend to get a kick out of it, but sometimes it's just "arghh why are people so fucking stupid!!" moment. But you're right to point out the fact that many "advocates" always tend to have some past of bullying of general shittbaggery, which makes it 100x more ironic that they talk about it. But we all know it's for some cheap likes/good publicity from the pro lifer crowd.

 

[FuneralCry]

I find platitudes to be very annoying. To me a suicide hotline is pointless as it does not take away what is causing someone to be suicidal in the first place, it does not fix any problems. We live in a society that does not respect our right to die and tries to force us to live. I wish we lived in a world where we can exit peacefully when the time is right for us, I am tired of meaningless suffering, life is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it. Wanting suicide can be perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this.

 

[Forever Dead]

Apart from sharing my thoughts with the good people on this forum, I completely ignore any so-called sources of help from the outside. I no longer confide in any Doctors, therapists, so-called family, so-called friends etc because they are all a complete waste of fucking time.and are NOT in the least bit interested anyway. And all these bleeding heart do-gooders piss me the fuck right off. Im not a violent person by nature but when these pro-lifers start spewing their crap with bullshit like " Oh, You dont really want to hurt yourself now do you sweetie ? " etc, etc, I completely forget about killing myself and feel the overwhelming urge to kill them instead, aaaargh ! These fuckers drive me nuts,. and I hate the way they talk down to you like you are a 2 year old and belittle you. Fuck them, fuck them all. I hope they all drown in a swimming pool full of boiling diarrohea. Bastards the lot of em. Sorry, but I am having a REALLY bad day today, but then again thats nothing new.

 

[TeaPloom]

Apart from sharing my thoughts with the good people on this forum, I completely ignore any so-called sources of help from the outside. I no longer confide in any Doctors, therapists, so-called family, so-called friends etc because they are all a complete waste of fucking time.and are NOT in the least bit interested anyway. And all these bleeding heart do-gooders piss me the fuck right off. Im not a violent person by nature but when these pro-lifers start spewing their crap with bullshit like " Oh, You dont really want to hurt yourself now do you sweetie ? " etc, etc, I completely forget about killing myself and feel the overwhelming urge to kill them instead, aaaargh ! These fuckers drive me nuts,. and I hate the way they talk down to you like you are a 2 year old and belittle you. Fuck them, fuck them all. I hope they all drown in a swimming pool full of boiling diarrohea. Bastards the lot of em. Sorry, but I am having a REALLY bad day today, but then again thats nothing new.

That too! the belittling attitude they hold is the most anger inducing part. I'm relatively peaceful, I never even raise my voice but those people bring out a horrible side I never knew even existed within me.

 

[Forever Dead]

That too! the belittling attitude they hold is the most anger inducing part. I'm relatively peaceful, I never even raise my voice but those people bring out a horrible side I never knew even existed within me.

Exactly right: they talk about agony of the soul as though its insignificant, like having a splinter in your finger etc. Trying to explain to them what mental angst and turmoil feels like is trying to explain the theory of relativity to a tree.

 

[Rational man]

I see it as a control mechanism; control of people.and.control of the foundation stone on which people build empires and surround themselves with a bizzare altered ego. For example, the numerous doctors i consulted had different oppinions about my medical condition but each doctor misdiagnosed me from GP to consultant. They are not GOD but are human and the sense of failings in diagnosis would undermine the foundation stone of their god like empire. Wherever you find yourself you will be subjected to control from birth to death. We have people trying to save us and people trying to kill us, ie Putin for example. Our world is filled with useless soundbites, designed to drown us at the individual level and congrol us enmass. Problem is, its getting worse.

 

[Mr2005]

What do want them to do? I get irritated by anyone else questions but you know what I can do about it? Nothing. Leave people alone. Be nice, hate yourself

 

[Forever Dead]

I see it as a control mechanism; control of people.and.control of the foundation stone on which people build empires and surround themselves with a bizzare altered ego. For example, the numerous doctors i consulted had different oppinions about my medical condition but each doctor misdiagnosed me from GP to consultant. They are not GOD but are human and the sense of failings in diagnosis would undermine the foundation stone of their god like empire. Wherever you find yourself you will be subjected to control from birth to death. We have people trying to save us and people trying to kill us, ie Putin for example. Our world is filled with useless soundbites, designed to drown us at the individual level and congrol us enmass. Problem is, its getting worse.

We are bossed about by stupid parents, who send us to brainwashing facilities ( schools ) and have our childhoods stolen. We are then sent off into the world of work ( wage slavery ) where we have the best years of our lives stolen. This insidious system has been designed on purpose to try and strip away your individual identify and force you into obeyance through coercion and fear, and to bleed you dry financially, leaving the vast majority of people with very little to live on. But I never bought any of that shit, I rarely went to school and worked for myself for most of my life, and rarely paid taxes to the corrupt and theiving government. I do not listen to mainstream media whatsoever because it is all mostly lies, and as far as Doctors and poloticians go, I would not trust any of them as far as I could spit.

 

[fox_wannabe]

I hate that sort of messages at the end of my perfectly grim article/essay/video.

 

[Sea Turtle]

God.. went to gun range for first time today and reminded of this post. There was a waiver question regarding if I'd been involuntarily hospitalized for mental health issues in the past.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Serious question, what do you what them to say instead?

 

[TheUnkn0wn]

The whole system (atleaat here in Canada) and support lines are complete shit here.

When I was at the lowest of my lows, I visited the ER often (in distress/crisis), kept in touch with my family doctor, called prevention lines, and yet nothing was of real help. The ER asked a ton of questions and let you go after so many hours (keep you long enough to chnage the mindset?). My family doctor perscribed pills that clearly were too much for my system to intake, yet we never trial'ed dosages. The prevention lines sent me online colouring books and told me to keep my mind busy (in distress, vocalled a plan for the following day..wasnt taken serious and i went missing).

You try and talk to friends or family and its they just say the same statements with no help.

Now I do have to keep in mind that every individual is different, what works for you, may not work for me. I guess for me, I just want someone to listen - no remarks, no suggestions - just listening.

I learned the hard way that most people do not know how to react or know what to say, so I take what I know (through self guided resources) and try to help others. Other than that, since I know the hospital and doctors are of no help, I'm trialing and erroring my life to find things that keep the SI's away.

Hopefully this post makes sense. I went on a bit of a ramble lol

 

[Of The Universe]

It gets better!

 

[ameliacecelia]

I find it especially irritating when these PSAs ignore the right-to-die and death-with-dignity for those who are elderly, terminally, and chronically ill. I wish my grandmother had had that option instead of the painful death she had to endure.

 

[WiltedSoul]

Serious question, what do you what them to say instead?

Nothing at all, or something legitimately useful in the very least. I actually think that most of the people/media outlets that "advocate" for mental health have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved in good intentions as they say.

One of the most irritating (or soul-crushing, depends) things in life are people who cannot relate to you at all trying to play therapist. They're even worse than the drivel all over social media, in my opinion. Time and time again, I foolishly attempt to forge connections with people and seek out solutions, only to be slapped in the face with empty platitudes and hogwash advice.

Yeah, thanks Amanda, I'll just learn to love myself. That'll surely help with the chronic anhedonia. I never would have guessed someone with a loving family knew best how to cope with crippling long-term isolation! I"m cured!

I'm so tired of being told to "get help" or "talk to someone"; there is no help and what is talking supposed to accomplish? I'm beyond being comforted. Give me a million dollars or shut the fuck up.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I'm so tired of being told to "get help" or "talk to someone"; there is no help and what is talking supposed to accomplish? I'm beyond being comforted. Give me a million dollars or shut the fuck up.

OMG, yes! I totally agree!

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Nothing at all, or something legitimately useful in the very least. I actually think that most of the people/media outlets that "advocate" for mental health have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved in good intentions as they say.

One of the most irritating (or soul-crushing, depends) things in life are people who cannot relate to you at all trying to play therapist. They're even worse than the drivel all over social media, in my opinion. Time and time again, I foolishly attempt to forge connections with people and seek out solutions, only to be slapped in the face with empty platitudes and hogwash advice.

Yeah, thanks Amanda, I'll just learn to love myself. That'll surely help with the chronic anhedonia. I never would have guessed someone with a loving family knew best how to cope with crippling long-term isolation! I"m cured!

I'm so tired of being told to "get help" or "talk to someone"; there is no help and what is talking supposed to accomplish? I'm beyond being comforted. Give me a million dollars or shut the fuck up.

But most people don't have anything useful to say and saying nothing is awkward if it's someone you know.

 

[Al Cappella]

But most people don't have anything useful to say and saying nothing is awkward if it's someone you know.

I think most ppl want to be heard, rather than just talked at. So, if it's someone you know, then you can always engage by asking questions—like what they're experiencing right now, bla bla bla. If they want. Sometimes ppl just want to be left alone.

 

[summertimestars4]

yes, totally. it makes me think that those people feel obligated to say something even when they have no idea what they're talking about, so they come up with blanket statements they can recycle. in reality i wish they wouldn't say anything at all if they have no experience with the topic. it's like a rich person trying to give budget advice to a poor person, it just doesn't work.

 

[AnestheticVoid]

It's just a temporary problem.

 

[WiltedSoul]

But most people don't have anything useful to say and saying nothing is awkward if it's someone you know.

Because I'm in so much pain that I have to kill myself and that's not a particularly pleasant experience to go through? Because half of the time, people reach out first and assure you that you can confide in them and that they can help you? Because I have been completely failed by mental health services, so my only hope lies somewhere beyond it?

I don't actually resent anyone for any of this, to be clear. My life has been abnormally traumatic: most people haven't experienced anything close to what I have, and I'm glad they haven't. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but then, if someone has never actually endured very much themselves, why are they so eager to try and "help"? Why do they assume that everyone else's struggles are the same as theirs? They genuinely seem to think that depression = when your girlfriend breaks up with you in high school and then when it isn't, they're at a loss.

Have they seen the news? They know great suffering, misery and pain exist. So it's kind of foolish.

yes, totally. it makes me think that those people feel obligated to say something even when they have no idea what they're talking about, so they come up with blanket statements they can recycle. in reality i wish they wouldn't say anything at all if they have no experience with the topic. it's like a rich person trying to give budget advice to a poor person, it just doesn't work.

This.

 

[cemetorium]

I hate when people think spamming suicide hotline numbers does anything. My country doesn't even have a suicide hotline so I wouldn't be able to call one even if I wanted to lol

 

[OldDrummer]

God.. went to gun range for first time today and reminded of this post. There was a waiver question regarding if I'd been involuntarily hospitalized for mental health issues in the past.

Oh Christ. How Irish is this? I recently joined a gun club/range with the sole intention of getting out of the house after the whole Covid thing and to help with my depression and to have a hobby.

I was obsessing about SN and N, and never thought for a second of using a weapon to ctb! To be honest, I never would, it would fuck the club owners up legally and otherwise and I've seen too many vids (gore and YouTube) of survivors, even with a shotgun. Think you have problems now? Try living the remaining years of your life in a hospital with a hamburger for a face and feeding tube down your trachea.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Oh Christ. How Irish is this? I recently joined a gun club/range with the sole intention of getting out of the house after the whole Covid thing and to help with my depression and to have a hobby.

I was obsessing about SN and N, and never thought for a second of using a weapon to ctb! To be honest, I never would, it would fuck the club owners up legally and otherwise and I've seen too many vids (gore and YouTube) of survivors, even with a shotgun. Think you have problems now? Try living the remaining years of your life in a hospital with a hamburger for a face and feeding tube down your trachea.

True! I would never risk the chance of serious permanent damage or do it in front of so many people. Also I suppose logically a handgun is very unlikely to succeed. Also terrifying . Gosh I can't imagine life like that...

 

[OldDrummer]

True! I would never risk the chance of serious permanent damage or do it in front of so many people. Also I suppose logically a handgun is very unlikely to succeed. Also terrifying . Gosh I can't imagine life like that...

Indeed. I need my passing to be alone. I don't want to traumatise others. Those who work on ranges are professionals and they'll have to live with your actions and probably what they'll perceive as their failure for the rest of their lives.

I just want to walk out of the room as quietly as possible and shut the door silently behind me.

 

[deathbydragon]

I love the rapper logic LMAO.

"1-800 made my bank account look like a phone number"
I mean at least he's honest about why he made the track.