Discussion anyone else DESPISE when others involve religion in topics like these?

[cats333]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

 

[Worndown]

It is the easy reply. No thought or reflection needed.

 

[TheHolySword]

If Jesus loves me so much why is he letting me suffer? Asshole move in my eyes.

Jokes aside, it's very tone deaf and minimizes real struggles and pain. They want feel good points without doing anything actually useful or helpful.

 

[cats333]

It is the easy reply. No thought or reflection needed.

right! its super dismissive

If Jesus loves me so much why is he letting me suffer? Asshole move in my eyes.

Jokes aside, it's very tone deaf and minimizes real struggles and pain. They want feel good points without doing anything actually useful or helpful.

super tone deaf and obnoxious tbh also haha thats my number one complaint when this gets brought up, why do we have to wait for him to decide to give us happiness? whats the point!!!

 

[wondering&wandering]

Well, is it religion or platitudes with religious coating that you despise? I think your question and rant contain two different disscussions (albeit with overlapping concepts).

For strictly religion: no, I don't despise it when talking about topics such as those presented on this forum.

For platitudes with religious coating: sure, I despise them in the sense that the platitudes (religious or not) are just another slew of lazy self-righteous band-aids applied to my soul that's bleeding out.

 

[cats333]

Well, is it religion or platitudes with religious coating that you despise? I think your question and rant contain two different disscussions (albeit with overlapping concepts).

For strictly religion: no, I don't despise it when talking about topics such as those presented on this forum.

For platitudes with religious coating: sure, I despise them in the sense that the platitudes (religious or not) are just another slew of lazy self-righteous band-aids applied to my soul that's bleeding out.

i dont hate religion, i understand why people choose to believe, and although i personally dont, i think anyone who does should be respected. however, i hate when they try to ignore feelings by saying that everything is in gods plan or try to force religion on a suffering person. ive heard it so many times and im just tired of it.

 

[wondering&wandering]

i dont hate religion, i understand why people choose to believe, and although i personally dont, i think anyone who does should be respected. however, i hate when they try to ignore feelings by saying that everything is in gods plan or try to force religion on a suffering person. ive heard it so many times and im just tired of it.

Okay, I see. Totally understandable.

 

[ConstantPain]

I also hate it! Particularly the platitudes but also religion in general when it's interjected in secular topics.
I even dislike it when meant in a positive sense such as Praise God. No, thank the people who made it happen, such as doctors, volunteers, charities etc. Give them the credit.
Oh yeah, and even in sympathy. When I've had relatives die, I don't want to hear that you're praying for me.
I have to say it too that supposedly in the US, there's separation between church and state. Meanwhile, church imposes itself into state as much as it's allowed. Our cash and pledge of allegiance are bad enough but in 20 days, it will be allowed way more. Scary stuff.

 

[willow115]

No

 

[Opera]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

Totally agree. I'm also just so fed up being fed religion as a way to help, when it's the root cause of my problems.

 

[TragedyBornCrimson]

There isn't a clear way to prove that any religion is true or that all religions are false. The fact that we are conscious and a universe of such complexity exists is already confusing., which is why I lean towards the belief of the existence of a God. Not to mention that while different nde stories have a similar vibe to them, and they happen enough for me to think there is more to our reality than we realize. That's the scary part about dying, we have no idea what we will be walking into. The scariest issue being that we are ruled by a malevolent God that enjoys our suffering, I truly hope that isn't the case because if that's true then we are all screwed in ways we can't imagine. Forgive my awful grammer

 

[Pluto]

 

[Leiot]

I feel sorry for those people who just whip out trite answers like that. What narrow lives they must live. Completely unaware of the world or people around them.

 

[altkey]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

I'm unaffected by it, it's never surprising so I just go "of course" in my head whenever it's brought up or happens

 

[ScaredOfMachines]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

I especially hate it, especially since I'm not a Christian anymore. Most religions are pretty bad when it comes to mental health and really anything else out of the norm. I have a very lovely memory of the time I was at Catholic school, and one of my relatives that I was very close with had recently CTB'd. The topic of suicide came up in our religious class, where my teacher confidently said that all people who killed themselves went to hell, despite the teacher and pretty much everyone in my class knowing about my situation. Fun times.

I get a feeling that the lord does not like me too much for being queer anyway.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I have mixed feelings when people bring up religious platitudes. Part of me thinks it's (naively if I'm honest) sweet that they feel reassured that there is a God that loves them. Personally, I don't see the evidence for that. People get a raw deal in this life whether they have been 'good' or 'bad'. If this is how God expresses love, I'd hate to see them angry!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Yeah, it pisses me off too. I tried telling my mum that I hate at how she gave birth to me as well as how my sister is now at peace since she's dead and her response was "I didn't give birth to you, allah already predetermined you to be here!" and "your sister isn't at peace, she's in another realm possibly getting tortured as she wasn't religious enough in life". It's just- fuck me, these types of people make me feel so alone and scared because I'm living in a world that's populated with people like this. I'm definitely in enemy territory, not home. These fuckers are why the right to die won't ever be a thing. Regardless of what monstrous ideology people have to say, there is no god, our parents gave birth to us and those who are dead are free from all harms

 

[axab43]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

I am a Christian who is also suicidal. I get the same thing, people telling me "Jesus loves me." I actually believe He does but some Christians are very good at giving out platitudes and meaningless phrases (meaningless when the person doesn't believe them), and often not practical help which is what the person needs, not words. Life can still be very tough and almost seem not worth living, even for Christians.

But what also really annoys me is people who dismiss my long held beliefs, (I've been a Christian for 50 years) and say I should not even talk about it. I have as much right to mention my belief in God as a Christian as much as anyone else has the right not to like it. Respect on both sides is what is called for (I would not say something like "Jesus loves you" to someone who had no idea what I was talking about as it does not help. As I said, demonstrating that, when possible, is what helps, as in our local church who runs the local food banks and does so much for those who just even struggle with enough to eat in these ridiculous times with ridiculous governments.

 

[roadkill111]

just a little rant but also super curious about everyone else's feeing about this,

i totally hate when im expressing the fact that i dont find value in life / dont want to be alive, and its followed up by the person telling me to "love the lord" and that "jesus loves me so it will be okay". like. what problem does that solve??? i would rather be given a knife and be told to do it, than to be told that god will solve everything again.

If someones dies by suicide, I don't think they're going to hell. I think it'll simply be eternal sleep

 

[dontwakemeup]

I'm a Christian and we were taught these phrases as a means to comfort people. I personally don't want to hear any religious slogans when I'm in distress. When people use those phrases it silences the person and makes them feel like their issues aren't validated and real.
When I think about the people who has said those type things to me, their live is no comparison to the life I've lived thus far. I guess that makes it easier for them to say that stuff.
I just want to know, when can I exist from this existence

 

[RandomGirl52]

when people bring religion into my mental issues I want to convert and then kill myself right after out of pure spite

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I do hate when people use religious cookie cutter answers to stranger's problems they know nothing about. Personally, I'm against religion and think all religions should not exist, but I still respect people and don't put these thoughts into words.

The time when I lost my cool completely was when 2 jeovas witnesses knocked on my door and had the audacity to say that my mother died to make me stronger. I was 13 years old and my mother had died days ago (the last part I mentioned to them).

Also had random religious people approach me on the street and say I was depressed because I didn't believe in God and proceed to follow me from school to the tube.

These sorts of people I hate. They have no moral compass, no empathy, they're simply uncaring creatures following the recipe book of whatever Bible they believe in. I care for others, I really do, but these people in particular can rot in whatever hell they believe in.

 

[diediedie13345543]

man so real

 

[MOROK]

As a spiritual person, I believe there's no so called 'hell' or 'heaven', but I do believe our awareness moves to another vessel once we die. And having some knowledge in 'afterlife' for me personally is enough, knowing I can visit my favourite fictional worlds as a spirit. For now, I'm just a bunch of bones and muscles held together.

 

[savory]

It irks me. On the receiving end it always feels some mix of dismissive, condescending, and out of touch. I'm not religious. I wasn't raised with any religion, though my dad apparently was; he told me once that my mom would go to hell. Not said in reaction or out of anger; he believed it. To plant such fear into a child's impressionable mind is irresponsible and cruel. To this day I'm angry with him for that. I don't believe in any afterlife or divine retribution and don't give much thought to it.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

I don't know if this is the correct thread to rant about this but my mom just mentioned this the other day again and it's driving me crazy.

She claims she is spiritual, but not religious. ( we were all raised Catholic, but I consider myself an atheist now )It may have started off that way as she is deeply into angels. I'm OK with that. But she constantly prays , always says she's praying for people, has a cross on the wall, has Jesus as a screensaver on her computer and gets mail from so many religious charities that she is contributed to that it's nuts. Oh, and she has a "bless this house " thing signed by someone religious on our refrigerator.

I think the one that drives me most crazy is when she talks about people dying, herself included, she uses the phrase "going home". tell me that's not religious.

And she claims she does all this, not only for herself, but for her friends and even strangers for that matter. But my mom has a zillion health problems and is housebound! I should say that, even if she wasn't housebound, I don't believe she would go to church as she's never really been into that and actually has some childhood drama for that . her closest friends are definitely not healthy either.

And don't even get me started on the platitude that" God doesn't give you more than you can handle"

It's not that she necessarily says these things to me in regards to CTB specifically . She gets incredibly mad if I say something like JFC. But just platitudes for life in general and believing there is a God when she has so many issues and I tried to CTB. Does she seriously think that God is helping us? I know she prays to God in regards of the fact that I survived the CTB attempt which was really stupid anyway.

Sorry if this was too long into off topic, but I've been wanting to post about it for days to get it out of my system

 

[MercenariesofMidgar]

There isn't a clear way to prove that any religion is true or that all religions are false. The fact that we are conscious and a universe of such complexity exists is already confusing., which is why I lean towards the belief of the existence of a God. Not to mention that while different nde stories have a similar vibe to them, and they happen enough for me to think there is more to our reality than we realize. That's the scary part about dying, we have no idea what we will be walking into. The scariest issue being that we are ruled by a malevolent God that enjoys our suffering, I truly hope that isn't the case because if that's true then we are all screwed in ways we can't imagine. Forgive my awful grammer

100%. Despite all the noise we truly are oblivious to things like. If there is a God, or really more out there... I hope they are kind to us when we enter the other side.

 

[Darkover]

i dont hate religion, i understand why people choose to believe, and although i personally dont, i think anyone who does should be respected

I completely reject the notion that all beliefs deserve respect.
Beliefs earn respect based on their merits. Religious beliefs don't get a pass from logical scrutiny just because they're religious.

There isn't a clear way to prove that any religion is true or that all religions are false

all religions are man made sciences, archaeology, physics, and molecular biology have shown religious myths to be false

The fact that we are conscious and a universe of such complexity exists is already confusing., which is why I lean towards the belief of the existence of a God.

your inability to gasp science and how something can arise from nothing doesn't prove god existence



religion is like a penis
it's fine to have one
it's fine to be proud of
it but please don't
whip it out and start
waving it around in
public

 

[LostLily]

Religion is actually fueling my self-hatred and put a wedge between the relationship between me and my religious family

 

[ratvroomvrooms]

I agree. For example, my mother. I love my mother a lot, but she's very religious. She already knows about my atheism but when she's given the opportunity, she'd try to involve me in her religion. I guess I can't really complain since I still live under her roof, that's why I do comply anyway. But when it comes to my problems, even when it was about my suicide attempts, her solutions would eventually lead up to "let's pray together. If you make a connection with God, He'll be a reason for you to live". It just comes across as empty for me.