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Is anyone diagnosed bipolar?Specifically type 2, or 'spectrum'?

I had a psych assessment the other day (Long overdue as in the time it took to get the assessment my life became a total car crash) and I was diagnosed bipolar type 2, which didn't surprise me as it's something I've long suspected.

I was very careful not to lead them to that conclusion as I've read a lot about it and often thought 'that's me!' but as it is all based on subjective experience and what you choose to tell them I didn't want to put words in their mouth.

If you have, can you explain what it is like for you to be hypomanic? What happens in between these episodes and your depressive ones?
 
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When I'm hypomanic I get into spending issues, hyper sexual, anger, sometimes I make crazy decisions like driving from Maine to Florida in 24 hours with only one or two breaks. I stay up for days without sleep. When it ends I feel like complete shit and regret things, I start sleeping too much barely any energy.
 
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When I'm hypomanic I get into spending issues, hyper sexual, anger, sometimes I make crazy decisions like driving from Maine to Florida in 24 hours with only one or two breaks. I stay up for days without sleep. When it ends I feel like complete shit and regret things, I start sleeping too much barely any energy.
That's interesting. I spend money on things that I want, because I had no interest in anything when depressed, I get hyper sexual but dot get myself into trouble through it. I've never made crazy decisions like going on long road trips, but I think about it. I've stayed up all night because I'm preoccupied with creative persuits and don't feel any need for sleep but not for days on end. Is it possible this is just me, sans depression or could it be that I'm mildly hypomanic?
 
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In between my depressive episodes, which spontaneously resolve, I seem to go back 'normal' or what I think is normal for me (I can't tell anymore). I'm suddenly very happy and positive, almost euphoric, my anxiety disappears and I feel very confident and outgoing, always laughing and joking, making conversation with everyone I come into contact with. I feel very connected to everyone and the universe, finding beauty in all the things that were once so bland and unappealing. I have a burst of creativity, suddenly reconnecting with all my hobbies and passions, like design and music, as if all that enthusiasm that was missing has come back in abundance. It's almost compensation for the depression.

That lasts weeks, months or even up to a couple of years and then due to some major life stressor, or no reason at all, I suddenly become extremely anxious (over nothing and everything), agitated and irritable. It's unbearable and goes on getting worse and worse, debilitating and then I spiral into a deep depression.

This is a pattern that has happened consistently over the last 17 years, to varying degrees and timespans, and I'm wondering if this is what it's like to be bipolar, or do I have depressive episodes with periods of normality (for me) in between?
 
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I come up with new hobbies and obsess over it which I put a lot money into. For example got into djing and spent $600 on it and that didn't last long. I also let a girl I didn't even know move in with me and many other things. It might be possible but I can't say for sure.
 
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I come up with new hobbies and obsess over it which I put a lot money into. For example got into djing and spent $600 on it and that didn't last long. I also let a girl I didn't even know move in with me and many other things. It might be possible but I can't say for sure.
I definitely obsess over my existing hobbies which I'd previously lost interest in, one of which was DJing, and then when I'm depressed again could not give a flying fuck about.

$600 isn't a lot to spend on DJ gear btw, so it could've been worse!

I've never done anything crazy like letting a stranger move in with me. Although I did just get involved with an ex gf who fucked me over twice before. I'd stay up all night having freaky sex with her and then go to work and function perfectly fine.

Maybe there's varying degrees of hypomania, just as there is depression?

If am indeed bipolar, my hypomanic states are very mild and depressive states incredible severe. It is supposed to be a spectrum after all.
 
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I'm bipolar 2, but haven't had "episodes" (beyond the pale) really since March/April, when I became ill and unable to keep down my meds for all of March so obviously the meds weren't in me and I got symptomatic again. Ended up in psych hospital on suicide watch. Fun times. Turned out I had CDiff and if I had had proper care to begin with (it took 3 months before I was diagnosed) I wouldn't have gone through that hell. After 3 weeks of getting about 1 hour of sleep I had 8 days of zero sleep which led to a psychotic break. Yup. Fun times.

I only take an antidepressant (Zoloft) for my bipolar as my 2 epilepsy meds could technically be considered mood stabilizers (most mood stabilizers are also epilepsy meds), Keppra and Prazosin. They control my epilepsy AND my bipolar! 2 birds, one stone (well, 2 stones cause of 2 meds gah I'm over thinking this).
 
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I'm bipolar 2, but haven't had "episodes" (beyond the pale) really since March/April, when I became ill and unable to keep down my meds for all of March so obviously the meds weren't in me and I got symptomatic again. Ended up in psych hospital on suicide watch. Fun times. Turned out I had CDiff and if I had had proper care to begin with (it took 3 months before I was diagnosed) I wouldn't have gone through that hell. After 3 weeks of getting about 1 hour of sleep I had 8 days of zero sleep which led to a psychotic break. Yup. Fun times.

I only take an antidepressant (Zoloft) for my bipolar as my 2 epilepsy meds could technically be considered mood stabilizers (most mood stabilizers are also epilepsy meds), Keppra and Prazosin. They control my epilepsy AND my bipolar! 2 birds, one stone (well, 2 stones cause of 2 meds gah I'm over thinking this).
What is CDiff?

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Considering you are here I'm guessing your meds aren't helping you that much?

From what I described, do you think that sounds like bipolar?

I always thought that the 'anxiety' I feel precipitating my depressive episodes was more than anxiety. Turns out that could be a mixed episode, when the depression starts coming back it mixes with the hypomania to create a whole different type of hell on earth. Agitated, frantically anxious, irritable, self conscious, paranoid turmoil.
 
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For me it is decreased sleep, increased spending, grand planning for the future, becoming extremely talkative and upbeat, like going into work and wanting to hug everyone and calling them all beautiful people, etc. My productivity levels go WAY up.

My last episode was actually a mixed episode, so I had depressed symptoms overlaid on the hypomanic ones. Absolutely miserable. I was irritable, angry, and having assaultive fantasies and urges to damage things at work, like throwing equipment through the window and strangling people.

I think a mildly depressed state (dysthymia) is my baseline between hypomania and the full-blown depressive episodes.
 
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Nope. Always down.
 
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We're all on the same boat and what we thought were the pros and cons of our personality, are actually just symptoms of our disease.
We aren't special in any way , we're just broken human beings.
 
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I was diagnosed with cyclothymia a few years ago (my father has bipolar I, I'm very familiar with mania. Btw, the cyclothymia diagnosis is absurd as I've had multiple major depressive episodes since I was 10, presence of mania aside). But technically I am considered on the spectrum. Now that my more immediate bpd mood swings are less prevalent, the manic/depressive trend over time is really obvious to me. I take quetiapine, I lowered my dose as it was making me too sleepy in the day, but the dose I take is definitely not enough, even with my medication sensitivity. I've taken most anticonvulsants (for epilepsy..) and had severe side effects due to that sensitivity.

Mania: Paranoia about spending money blew up into a transient shopping addiction. I have literally shopped until I dropped. I was also hypersexual and into riskier stuff; I experience a high amount of sex repulsion and have a low to nil sex drive most of the time, so the change was remarkable. Total loss of inhibition combined with risk seeking.

I was also a bit delusional and accordingly having constant epiphanies. I was just thinking so fast and the smallest things were blowing my mind, and occasionally I got the idea I'd made major breakthroughs in philosophy. Once as a teenager I'd started writing out the preamble for a long tract questioning the existence of reason and was able to read it later, and I realised it was mostly overblown, grandiose writing. Now this can happen to a non-manic person but I'd cracked and started telling everyone I'd blown epistemology wide open

I had pretty much no ability to control my urges to do random things. I was obsessing constantly about things I had to do or could do to the point I sometimes couldn't actually work on anything from the agitation, and my thoughts were racing. Also, constant euphoria, a weightless sensation of floating from idea to idea (and urge to urge); I had this sense of being unshackled and very elevated, almost like my vision was expanding to take in everything at once (kind of like the view you get from the top of a hill). Physically, I was sleeping a lot less and felt totally fine.

Hypomania: Agitated, very task-driven, constantly thinking about getting to the next thing, only feel good if I'm working on something (ideally that has output). Sleeping a lot less but not as markedly as when I was manic. According to my partner I often start to talk very grandly and my thoughts progress rapidly / in a way that's difficult to follow. Except for creative moments or epiphanies, I feel more irritable than anything else. Only drive and agitation. It's harder for me to tell without those moments because there's a sort of oscillation between feeling productive and feeling like I'm being brutalised by my own clockwork.

Since I started taking quetiapine, I have noticed that the range of this contrast is a lot lower. I wonder if it is also what is making hypomania a purely irritable state lately as well. I also have a marked seasonal pattern, as does my father - warmer weather seems to promote mania and irritability in a lot of people with seasonal patterns.

I think sometimes I am neither hypo/manic nor depressed, but it is rare and hard to tell as the only time there is no stress and still structure is summer, which typically messes with my mood a lot. I always seem to be coping with the fallout of my episodes only to be sliding into another one, so I have no real sense of permanence.

It seems you are seeking treatment from the context of this thread? I hope you can find something that works for you and alleviates some of the issues that drove you to look for a diagnosis. Or maybe you were just looking for an explanation of why you might be the way you are?
 
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I was diagnosed with cyclothymia a few years ago (my father has bipolar I, I'm very familiar with mania. Btw, the cyclothymia diagnosis is absurd as I've had multiple major depressive episodes since I was 10, presence of mania aside). But technically I am considered on the spectrum. Now that my more immediate bpd mood swings are less prevalent, the manic/depressive trend over time is really obvious to me. I take quetiapine, I lowered my dose as it was making me too sleepy in the day, but the dose I take is definitely not enough, even with my medication sensitivity. I've taken most anticonvulsants (for epilepsy..) and had severe side effects due to that sensitivity.

Mania: Paranoia about spending money blew up into a transient shopping addiction. I have literally shopped until I dropped. I was also hypersexual and into riskier stuff; I experience a high amount of sex repulsion and have a low to nil sex drive most of the time, so the change was remarkable. Total loss of inhibition combined with risk seeking.

I was also a bit delusional and accordingly having constant epiphanies. I was just thinking so fast and the smallest things were blowing my mind, and occasionally I got the idea I'd made major breakthroughs in philosophy. Once as a teenager I'd started writing out the preamble for a long tract questioning the existence of reason and was able to read it later, and I realised it was mostly overblown, grandiose writing. Now this can happen to a non-manic person but I'd cracked and started telling everyone I'd blown epistemology wide open

I had pretty much no ability to control my urges to do random things. I was obsessing constantly about things I had to do or could do to the point I sometimes couldn't actually work on anything from the agitation, and my thoughts were racing. Also, constant euphoria, a weightless sensation of floating from idea to idea (and urge to urge); I had this sense of being unshackled and very elevated, almost like my vision was expanding to take in everything at once (kind of like the view you get from the top of a hill). Physically, I was sleeping a lot less and felt totally fine.

Hypomania: Agitated, very task-driven, constantly thinking about getting to the next thing, only feel good if I'm working on something (ideally that has output). Sleeping a lot less but not as markedly as when I was manic. According to my partner I often start to talk very grandly and my thoughts progress rapidly / in a way that's difficult to follow. Except for creative moments or epiphanies, I feel more irritable than anything else. Only drive and agitation. It's harder for me to tell without those moments because there's a sort of oscillation between feeling productive and feeling like I'm being brutalised by my own clockwork.

Since I started taking quetiapine, I have noticed that the range of this contrast is a lot lower. I wonder if it is also what is making hypomania a purely irritable state lately as well. I also have a marked seasonal pattern, as does my father - warmer weather seems to promote mania and irritability in a lot of people with seasonal patterns.

I think sometimes I am neither hypo/manic nor depressed, but it is rare and hard to tell as the only time there is no stress and still structure is summer, which typically messes with my mood a lot. I always seem to be coping with the fallout of my episodes only to be sliding into another one, so I have no real sense of permanence.

It seems you are seeking treatment from the context of this thread? I hope you can find something that works for you and alleviates some of the issues that drove you to look for a diagnosis. Or maybe you were just looking for an explanation of why you might be the way you are?
Thank you for the insight. That doesn't sound like cyclothima at all!

When my anxious, agitated, irritable non-functioning symptoms came about again I started to explore the possibility of bipolar in the hope of maybe receiving treatment, given treatment for depression has only ever made me worse, hence seeking an assessment/diagnosis.

Since I requested that referral, things have gotten a whole lot worst and I've lost everything as a result of it, so I've given up on treatment now. I truly don't think giving me a bunch of medications with dangerous side effects and potential withdrawal symptoms are going to solve my problems. Just interested in whether what I experience is in fact bipolar.
 
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Thank you for the insight. That doesn't sound like cyclothima at all!

When my anxious, agitated, irritable non-functioning symptoms came about again I started to explore the possibility of bipolar in the hope of maybe receiving treatment, given treatment for depression has only ever made me worse, hence seeking an assessment/diagnosis.

Since I requested that referral, things have gotten a whole lot worst and I've lost everything as a result of it, so I've given up on treatment now. I truly don't think giving me a bunch of medications with dangerous side effects and potential withdrawal symptoms are going to solve my problems. Just interested in whether what I experience is in fact bipolar.
Damn, that's fucking rough. I'm sorry the appointment didn't come sooner to let you see if it was potentially worthwhile.

I totally get being curious about an altered state though. Since one's only frame of reference for perceiving the world is themselves, all descriptions of them necessarily end up relative and difficult to gauge.
 
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Damn, that's fucking rough. I'm sorry the appointment didn't come sooner to let you see if it was potentially worthwhile.

I totally get being curious about an altered state though. Since one's only frame of reference for perceiving the world is themselves, all descriptions of them necessarily end up relative and difficult to gauge.
Exactly. How am I supposed to know if I'm hypomanic or just happy? Is this an altered state or just me when I'm not depressed?

Apart from one time, which I suspect was a mixed state, it's a blessing and not one that I'd hope to be pathologised and overmedicated for.

My life's a total shit show now despite being the happiest person alive only 4 months ago, albeit briefly.
 
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Is anyone diagnosed bipolar?Specifically type 2, or 'spectrum'?

I had a psych assessment the other day (Long overdue as in the time it took to get the assessment my life became a total car crash) and I was diagnosed bipolar type 2, which didn't surprise me as it's something I've long suspected.

I was very careful not to lead them to that conclusion as I've read a lot about it and often thought 'that's me!' but as it is all based on subjective experience and what you choose to tell them I didn't want to put words in their mouth.

If you have, can you explain what it is like for you to be hypomanic? What happens in between these episodes and your depressive ones?
Bipolar 1, PTSD and Anxiety Disorder. My life is hell. Tried a tone of different meds none of them work. Nobody cares about me. I want to ctb so badly. Tried to get SN didn't work. Tried getting all the stuff mentioned in PPeH Aug Edition. Couldn't get any of it. So my last ditch plan is 10g of a beta blocker called Propranolol with about 45 mg of lorazepam and 140 mg of metoclopramide to keep it down. I hope this works. Like I said my life is hell and I want to ctb so bad.
 
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I was diagnosed with bipolar 1 for the past year, but that's now changed to a schizoaffective disorder diagnosis, as my episodes contain more schizophrenic features. Mania for me is mainly psychosis. I become detached from reality. The depression goes away, I sleep less (sometimes sleeping barely at all) but am not tired. I hear voices, which last time got me to take a pointless expensive flight (on a credit card, great). The voices can be incredibly fun and funny, but about 75% of the time are super abusive and horrible. When I am not manic/detached (most of the time I am not), I am sane and function normally, but with depression.
 
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What is CDiff?

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Considering you are here I'm guessing your meds aren't helping you that much?

From what I described, do you think that sounds like bipolar?

I always thought that the 'anxiety' I feel precipitating my depressive episodes was more than anxiety. Turns out that could be a mixed episode, when the depression starts coming back it mixes with the hypomania to create a whole different type of hell on earth. Agitated, frantically anxious, irritable, self conscious, paranoid turmoil.

C. Diff is a dangerous GI infection.

I guess my meds are kinda helping? I mean, I'm not psychotic, I do sleep and I'm not hypomanic. But Depressed still, yes. Though it's not like the bipolar-lows I used to get where I was cutting and stuff; its more like "what's the point?" kind of thing I have a lot of disabilities (physical and mental) and it gets to the point where it's like "is it worth being in this much pain any longer?"
 
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Just try the mood stabilizers first. The antipsychotics are used mostly off label for bipolar and have way too many side effects. I learned the hard way. If you don't become psychotic which I never did but was still put on them then there is no need.
 
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I'm bipolar 2, but haven't had "episodes" (beyond the pale) really since March/April, when I became ill and unable to keep down my meds for all of March so obviously the meds weren't in me and I got symptomatic again. Ended up in psych hospital on suicide watch. Fun times. Turned out I had CDiff and if I had had proper care to begin with (it took 3 months before I was diagnosed) I wouldn't have gone through that hell. After 3 weeks of getting about 1 hour of sleep I had 8 days of zero sleep which led to a psychotic break. Yup. Fun times.

I only take an antidepressant (Zoloft) for my bipolar as my 2 epilepsy meds could technically be considered mood stabilizers (most mood stabilizers are also epilepsy meds), Keppra and Prazosin. They control my epilepsy AND my bipolar! 2 birds, one stone (well, 2 stones cause of 2 meds gah I'm over thinking this).

Im also bipolar, Im currently dealing with less than 1 hour of sleep each night for the past 2 months, how did this get resolved?
Im losing my mind
 
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Im also bipolar, Im currently dealing with less than 1 hour of sleep each night for the past 2 months, how did this get resolved?
Im losing my mind

Well the reason I was getting no sleep was because my stupid psychiatrist took me off the sleep meds that WORKED (thorazine; it's an antipsychotic but is very sedating) because of potential side effects that ARE permanent, mind, but they're the only thing that work for me. I tried two different true sleeping meds and neither of them worked and she refused to re-prescribe the thorazine. I ended up in psych hospital where they again refused to prescribe thorazine (I swear these places refuse any meds you specifically say help you and you want to take just to be ornery) as did the ER I ended up in a few days later when they discharged me (against my wishes lol, about half a dozen people asked me if I was still suicidal and I said yes....didn't want to leave, wanted to be medicated the hell out so I could sleep!) and THEY gave me an rx for six 1mg xanax pills! I tried taking the all to sleep and nada. I was there for 30 hours and they refused the only med that helps (and wouldn't give me an rx for it) but prescribed a controlled substance??

Can you tell I'm pissed? lol.

Anyway I told my therapist (same clinic as my psychiatrist) that I refused to see the psychiatrist anymore and wanted to see a new one asap. She got me in with a new one and she prescribed my thorazine and I freaking slept again! I'm never going off that stuff willingly again!

I've also taken seroquel in the past (less potential scary side effects because it's a newer antipsychotic but I gained a fuckload of weight and switched to thorazine) with good effects for sleeping as well.

Basically antipsychotics are the only things that knock me out. Or a shit ton of muscle relaxants (prescribed 40mg baclofen - took 3x that dose and slept a few hours but the problem was I woke up with my hands and feet spasming out of control and I kept walking into walls)
 
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I'm diagnosed bipolar type 2. Hypomania for me is a ball of fun. If youve eve been high on amphetamines, it feels just like that... Feels like running on one big adrenaline surge all the time, thoughts so clear and fast, talk just as fast .. Very talkative and become so charasmatic because always know the right thing to say, very quick witted, flirtatious. So productive at work and never want to stop working once started on anything, don't sleep much but don't feel tired, hypersexual... Anyone, anywhere. Lots of shopping and spending just because it's fun. I often go on impromptu overseas adventures when like this.

Sounds like fun right? It is very fun until you can't come down. My thoughts get so fast I can't keep up and everything's so so loud in my head and I can't make it stop. Again, it's like being on amphetamines but unable to come down.

Depression for me most often follows a high and it's shit. Sleep all the time to begin with but this soon turns into insomnia. Can't concentrate, can't stay on task, cry all the time. The best way I can describe my depression is the moment you find out the person you love most is dead. But you feel that way all the time.
 
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Nope. But I'm borderline as fuck.
 
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I'm diagnosed bipolar type 2. Hypomania for me is a ball of fun. If youve eve been high on amphetamines, it feels just like that... Feels like running on one big adrenaline surge all the time, thoughts so clear and fast, talk just as fast .. Very talkative and become so charasmatic because always know the right thing to say, very quick witted, flirtatious. So productive at work and never want to stop working once started on anything, don't sleep much but don't feel tired, hypersexual... Anyone, anywhere. Lots of shopping and spending just because it's fun. I often go on impromptu overseas adventures when like this.

Sounds like fun right? It is very fun until you can't come down. My thoughts get so fast I can't keep up and everything's so so loud in my head and I can't make it stop. Again, it's like being on amphetamines but unable to come down.

Depression for me most often follows a high and it's shit. Sleep all the time to begin with but this soon turns into insomnia. Can't concentrate, can't stay on task, cry all the time. The best way I can describe my depression is the moment you find out the person you love most is dead. But you feel that way all the time.
I am jealous of your mania
 
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Stop trying to "diagnose" yourselves just because you are unique from the norm.
 
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is the mania caused by a constant surplus of dopamin in the brain?

i need this
Yes, excess dopamine is at least one of the factors at play though I'm not sure science has all the answers as yet. Antipsychotics and neuroleptics which are both so good at treating mania are both dopamine antagonists.
 
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I don't have bipolar but I guess I have BPD lol who knows tho. They like to throw diagnosis around quickly
 
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I'm diagnosed bipolar type 2. Hypomania for me is a ball of fun. If youve eve been high on amphetamines, it feels just like that... Feels like running on one big adrenaline surge all the time, thoughts so clear and fast, talk just as fast .. Very talkative and become so charasmatic because always know the right thing to say, very quick witted, flirtatious. So productive at work and never want to stop working once started on anything, don't sleep much but don't feel tired, hypersexual... Anyone, anywhere. Lots of shopping and spending just because it's fun. I often go on impromptu overseas adventures when like this.

Sounds like fun right? It is very fun until you can't come down. My thoughts get so fast I can't keep up and everything's so so loud in my head and I can't make it stop. Again, it's like being on amphetamines but unable to come down.

Depression for me most often follows a high and it's shit. Sleep all the time to begin with but this soon turns into insomnia. Can't concentrate, can't stay on task, cry all the time. The best way I can describe my depression is the moment you find out the person you love most is dead. But you feel that way all the time.
This. Your description of hypomania is exactly how I feel when I recover from depression. Except in between I have franctic anxiety, agitation and irritability. That's when I know another episode of depression is coming.
 

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