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livingonlytodie

livingonlytodie

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Dec 9, 2024
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We are all trapped in a rotting meat suit until death. FUCKING HELL MATE LOL! I would've done anything not to be born honestly. The thought of being a wage slave for 70 more years makes my head fucking spin. I will never in my short life create life in this nightmare realm.
should've named myself hurts2behuman fuckkkk haha
 
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Jorvak

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I'm not an anti-natalist, but i absolutely understand your where you're coming from. I don't think it's wrong to reproduce, but it is wrong to be a horrible parent, instead of trying to raise their kids with respect and dignity without forced expectations. I think that should be what we aim for. Forcing kids to be indoctrinated, Such as imposing the fear of some horrible infinite torture if they don't believe a certain way, is absolutely disgusting, it's abhorrent and evil parenting to do that to a child. Kids need to be raised to be self-respecting, to learn what they personally like, to enable them in their strengths and to teach them to think very critically about every possible question or piece of information based on the evidence. The notion that parents "own their kids" and can be "turned into" whatever the parents want, is deeply disgusting to me and should be firmly denormalized.
 
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livingonlytodie

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I'm not an anti-natalist, but i absolutely understand your where you're coming from. I don't think it's wrong to reproduce, but it is wrong to be a horrible parent, instead of trying to raise their kids with respect and dignity without forced expectations. I think that should be what we aim for. Forcing kids to be indoctrinated, Such as imposing the fear of some horrible infinite torture if they don't believe a certain way, is absolutely disgusting, it's abhorrent and evil parenting to do that to a child. Kids need to be raised to be self-respecting, to learn what they personally like, to enable them in their strengths and to teach them to think very critically about every possible question or piece of information based on the evidence. The notion that parents "own their kids" and can be "turned into" whatever the parents want, is deeply disgusting to me and should be firmly denormalized.
I may be too far gone because for me, reproducing is like the worst thing possible. I hate having to defecate. I view life as a overall negative & closer to a burden than a gift , although that's probably my bias from my autism & narcissistic parents lol
 
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Jorvak

Jorvak

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I may be too far gone because for me, reproducing is like the worst thing possible. I hate having to defecate. I view life as a overall negative & closer to a burden than a gift , although that's probably my bias from my autism & narcissistic parents lol
I'm also very autistic, and my mother is a covert narcissist and a religious fanatic. My Dad is a lot more reasonable in general. It's awful things have been rough for you, I can easily relate to your home environment. It's tough by itself to be Autistic and be deeply misunderstood and Ostracized. And then when you have not one, but TWO parents who use your autism to Bully you, treat autism like it's a 'bad' thing that somehow makes you an inherently incapable person, rather than simply having a different way of perceiving reality, treat you like everything is 'your' fault by holding you to a much higher standard to other people, Make up ridiculous things about autism to marginalize and dehumanize you to their friends, use you as a 'prop' about how "good of a parent they are" while fundamentally abusing your boundaries, like you are an object for their own ego, and so much more.

I'm fortunate that my dad was around to keep my mother in check. She would be ruthless and try to tear me down, and also my siblings, but my Dad would step in to calm her down. It's really unfortunate you did not have someone to do the same for you.

Ultimately, I think how we perceive life comes down to the hand we're given. We are products of how we experience reality, but of course i would say that because I'm a determinist. I really believe in trying to create societal conditions where people can be free abusive parenting in all its forms, including intellectual, ableist and psychological abuse. We just don't have that yet.
 
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I'm not an anti-natalist, but i absolutely understand your where you're coming from. I don't think it's wrong to reproduce, but it is wrong to be a horrible parent, instead of trying to raise their kids with respect and dignity without forced expectations. I think that should be what we aim for. Forcing kids to be indoctrinated, Such as imposing the fear of some horrible infinite torture if they don't believe a certain way, is absolutely disgusting, it's abhorrent and evil parenting to do that to a child. Kids need to be raised to be self-respecting, to learn what they personally like, to enable them in their strengths and to teach them to think very critically about every possible question or piece of information based on the evidence. The notion that parents "own their kids" and can be "turned into" whatever the parents want, is deeply disgusting to me and should be firmly denormalized.
Keep in mind some of your parents belief maybe based on soild evidence so just consider their point of view. Not to imply that "forcing" any belief is ever ok though.
 
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Keep in mind some of your parents belief maybe based on soild evidence so just consider their point of view. Not to imply that "forcing" any belief is ever ok though.
I get what you're saying when it comes to general information. The main point is that when parents explain what they know about something, even something very probably true, they encourage their kid to consider what information and evidence justifies it, and what other explanations could there be or can be ruled out. The parents would also openly admit whenever they lack sufficient knowledge or expertise on something. Its the 'scientific' approach to educating kids, and in my view the only healthy approach.

When it comes to a parent even expressing personal belief, this gets tricky, because kids don't have a frame of reference to compare their parents beliefs with anything else. I think a parent would have to wait until their kid becomes curious about their parents views on things, and the parent could explain their personal reasons for believing the way they do without goading their kid to believe the same. nothing forced and no indoctrination involved.
 
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When it comes to a parent even expressing personal belief, this gets tricky, because kids don't have a frame of reference to compare their parents beliefs with anything else. I think a parent would have to wait until their kid becomes curious about their parents views on things, and the parent could explain their personal reasons for believing the way they do without goading their kid to believe the same. nothing forced and no indoctrination involved.
Alll good points. And don't forget just how much emotion, especially about strong beliefs & values, can change how act towards others. That's the tricky part about being a human parent. I agree with mostly everything you said. Ju consider, if you really believed that heaven and hell, and faith was the onl way to avoid hell, you probably going to tell your kid about because it would probably seem super important to you. Independent of whether it's right or wrong.
 
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OnlyOutcastsMourn

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Feb 9, 2025
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My philosophical issue with anti-natalism is it presumes all potential humans will have a bad life just because I have. People will experience pain and suffering, and it exists all throughout the world. I am of the opinion that life isn't worth living, but I cannot presume other humans will have the same experiences that lead to the same conclusions. There are paraplegics who continue to live and enjoy what life they have, as much as they can, for their own personal reasons.

I also do not believe that human beings are inherently a destructive force like those who say we are a parasite upon the world.

I didn't consent to be born, but I also didn't exist to consent in the first place.
 
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FuneralCry

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Sep 24, 2020
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I understand, more than anything I wish I never suffered in this torturous, futile existence, I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was even imposed at all even know there were never any disadvantages to never suffering at all, to me human existence truly is an abomination. I'd just never wish for any of this, I'd always prefer to not exist than be burdened with this existence that there was never a need for suffering all for the sake of it with no limit as to how much agony one can feel just to be tortured by old age, non-existence is all that's positive for me but I only see never existing at all as true perfection.
 
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divinemistress36

divinemistress36

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Although there are a lot of people who have good lives there are a lot of people who have bad lives to. To risky to bring a child in world who could suffer a lot
 
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