Venting Anti-suicide views are repulsive

[FuneralCry]

I think there is something so disgusting and evil about holding anti-suicide views, to me it's inhumane being against the permanent relief and escape from all suffering.

Having the choice to free ourselves from this hellish world could never be a bad thing as in death there are no more problems, to die prevents all future suffering in such a harmful world in which there is endless possibilities to be tormented by existence. I see existence as being something so horrible as there is no limit as to how much one can suffer as long as they are trapped in this world where chance so cruelly determines everything.

Anything anti-suicide only leads to more harm, I cannot stand those who glorify life and dismiss the cruel reality of existing here where suicide is always a valid option, I find it unacceptable how humans are denied a right to die in peace, it's such a disgusting world and humans are the worst species with how they create so much suffering.
If someone is anti-suicide they lack any compassion, pro-life really just means the prolonging of suffering.

 

[Sweet Tart]

I think people with anti-suicide views are in denial about the fact that life itself is a terminal condition. We are all going to die. Wanting to prolong the suffering of those whose suffering they don't understand is irrational at best.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I fully agree with the thread title. Suicide must be a legal right accessible to anyone who has the desire to leave his world. Prolonging suffering for so many people is inhumane and forcing them into cruel and difficult methods is terrifying.

 

[HopefulSleep]

Pro lifers are idiots, they don't know what pain is or are delusional about it.
Being a pro lifer is like judging about a disorder you don't have, just dumb.

 

[my_sundown]

We are raised to complain about life but the minute you say "this place sucks I want out" suddenly you've crossed some sort of stupid line.

People need to be more open minded and not just accept what the generation above you tells you.

 

[suicidalloser]

Pro lifers are idiots, they don't know what pain is or are delusional about it.
Being a pro lifer is like judging about a disorder you don't have, just dumb.

Yes they are. they thrive behind closed doors seeing us suffering because it's all about control—loss of volition, having control over another's autonomy

I think there is something so disgusting and evil about holding anti-suicide views, to me it's inhumane being against the permanent relief and escape from all suffering.

Having the choice to free ourselves from this hellish world could never be a bad thing as in death there are no more problems, to die prevents all future suffering in such a harmful world in which there is endless possibilities to be tormented by existence. I see existence as being something so horrible as there is no limit as to how much one can suffer as long as they are trapped in this world where chance so cruelly determines everything.

Anything anti-suicide only leads to more harm, I cannot stand those who glorify life and dismiss the cruel reality of existing here where suicide is always a valid option, I find it unacceptable how humans are denied a right to die in peace, it's such a disgusting world and humans are the worst species with how they create so much suffering.
If someone is anti-suicide they lack any compassion, pro-life really just means the prolonging of suffering.

part of my dread comes from the agonizing thought of prolonging suffering until debilitating old age.
people really think things are possible in this life outside of given privilege (money and wealth, the hierarchy of power) and you guess it: control.
not even able to for a disabled person to get benefits to not end up in situation like mine is overlooked and preferred by them; because as long as they are up there, we will always be down here, in elongated vexation—suffering reality's cruel fate.

I fully agree with the thread title. Suicide must be a legal right accessible to anyone who has the desire to leave his world. Prolonging suffering for so many people is inhumane and forcing them into cruel and difficult methods is terrifying.

It is a legal right, just not a peaceful option (euthanasia); as an adult, you'll soon find out that: as adamant about dying everybody will stop caring, especially when its an adult.

 

[deomlez]

My body owns me. It is the only and complete argument to all.

 

[Aplev]

I really needed to read this so badly. Yesterday, a pro-life ex friend messaged me after a long absence, we talked for a bit just casually, but then he starts talking about how good he's doing in life, how much he has learned from his negative experiences and blah blah blah. I was totally honest with him, I didn't want to discuss with him, I have already gone through this sort of discussion a thousand times and I am way too tired to have another one of those. He still irritated me so freaking much though. Pro-life are indeed idiots, delusional and are in a state of denial. Also, since they don't go through the same kind of suffering as us, there's no way they can understand.

people really think things are possible in this life outside of given privilege (money and wealth, the hierarchy of power) and you guess it: control.
not even able to for a disabled person to get benefits to not end up in situation like mine is overlooked and preferred by them; because as long as they are up there, we will always be down here, in elongated vexation—suffering reality's cruel fate.

Exactly this! "For someone to win, someome has to lose". Sadly, our world works that way and since they are the ones winning, they couldn't care less about the ones losing. But they need us to lose, otherwise, they wouldn't feel as happy and grateful for being the ones winning. It's as cruel as that.

 

[drownll]

I think it's only useful to underage persons, because at this young age, we might not really understand what offing implies, a lot would do it impulsively for attention or because they were influenced by someone to do it.

But to a grown mature adult, i agree that it's evil and selfish. The kind of people who are public anti suicide advocates are usually just virtue signaling. It's obvious that they don't care and don't understand the suffering of the suicidal person.

 

[suicidalloser]

I really needed to read this so badly. Yesterday, a pro-life ex friend messaged me after a long absence, we talked for a bit just casually, but then he starts talking about how good he's doing in life, how much he has learned from his negative experiences and blah blah blah. I was totally honest with him, I didn't want to discuss with him, I have already gone through this sort of discussion a thousand times and I am way too tired to have another one of those. He still irritated me so freaking much though. Pro-life are indeed idiots, delusional and are in a state of denial. Also, since they don't go through the same kind of suffering as us, there's no way they can understand.


Exactly this! "For someone to win, someome has to lose". Sadly, our world works that way and since they are the ones winning, they couldn't care less about the ones losing. But they need us to lose, otherwise, they wouldn't feel as happy and grateful for being the ones winning. It's as cruel as that.

That's right. And it's the reality, whether they latter choose to see or repress it to cope.

But to a grown mature adult,

Grown Adult

 

[deomlez]

They are the same who are natalist AND pro death penalty. They take them for god. Fuck them. They don t own me.

 

[skittles!]

I can't agree enough. When I was younger, a woman spoke at my school about how her son who had ended his life was selfish and uncaring and it made me feel worthless and evil for my suicidal thoughts.

 

[leavingsoon99]

I really needed to read this so badly. Yesterday, a pro-life ex friend messaged me after a long absence, we talked for a bit just casually, but then he starts talking about how good he's doing in life, how much he has learned from his negative experiences and blah blah blah. I was totally honest with him, I didn't want to discuss with him, I have already gone through this sort of discussion a thousand times and I am way too tired to have another one of those. He still irritated me so freaking much though. Pro-life are indeed idiots, delusional and are in a state of denial. Also, since they don't go through the same kind of suffering as us, there's no way they can understand.


Exactly this! "For someone to win, someome has to lose". Sadly, our world works that way and since they are the ones winning, they couldn't care less about the ones losing. But they need us to lose, otherwise, they wouldn't feel as happy and grateful for being the ones winning. It's as cruel as that.

Humans seem to thrive on the "zero sum existence". It gives them meaning to their needlessly competitive lives. I absolutely agree with the OP that anti-suicide stances are just mean and insensitive. I have given up on debating life-warriors. They live in their own bubble. They impose their beliefs onto others with the crazy expectation of "saving" them. They only see life through their own eyes. They don't place themselves in another's shoes in order to try to understand what that person is going through. This life if an imposition of tyranny and madness, no matter how you look at it. Rich or poor. There are no "privileged" people in this world. Just people who accept a slightly less hellish situation in it than others. There's no winning in this life.

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

Yeah fuck the bastards

 

[im here i guess]

On one hand, I understand where they're coming from. I don't agree with them, but I spent a good portion of my life thinking the same way they do, and I understand not thinking much and just conforming to what you're supposed to believe.
I think they care more about feeling like they did the right thing than actually helping somebody.
it's very controlling...
as a trans woman, I guess I like to think of it in a similar way: people are capable of making their own choices, trying to control somebodies choice, thinking you know better than them, it just ends up showing how little they understand about it

 

[Aplev]

Humans seem to thrive on the "zero sum existence". It gives them meaning to their needlessly competitive lives. I absolutely agree with the OP that anti-suicide stances are just mean and insensitive. I have given up on debating life-warriors. They live in their own bubble. They impose their beliefs onto others with the crazy expectation of "saving" them. They only see life through their own eyes. They don't place themselves in another's shoes in order to try to understand what that person is going through. This life if an imposition of tyranny and madness, no matter how you look at it. Rich or poor. There are no "privileged" people in this world. Just people who accept a slightly less hellish situation in it than others. There's no winning in this life.

Totally this. It irritates me that they are so hypocritical. The person who messaged me, for example. Where was he when I needed him the most? And he says "communication is key", but he's not making me any questions, not trying to understand my point of view at all. He didn't ask if I wanted to talk about anything with him, he just assumed that I don't want anyone listening to me or trying to understand me (he said it: "it's ok if you don't want to talk", and I never said anything like it, so he clearly wasn't listening and was busier trying to impose his beliefs onto me, and he started it, so it seems he was very anxious to do so, clearly not worried or concerned about anything else). He even dared to say "I completely understand you", which seriously almost made me fall from my chair, faint, throw up, all at once. You don't understand a freaking thing, you don't know what I am going through and you probably never will. Of course, it's not the first time, it's always the same story with these people and honestly I have given up on debating with them too for this very reason. They say they want to just talk but at some point (usually very early by the way, they don't even bother waiting) they impose their beliefs onto others. I specially hate it when they recognize that this is an unfair world and that suffering is inevitable. Are you freaking kidding me? You KNOW how much some of us are suffering, and you STILL want to CONTROL us and prolong our suffering? How much more selfish can you be? Gosh.

On one hand, I understand where they're coming from. I don't agree with them, but I spent a good portion of my life thinking the same way they do, and I understand not thinking much and just conforming to what you're supposed to believe.
I think they care more about feeling like they did the right thing than actually helping somebody.
it's very controlling...
as a trans woman, I guess I like to think of it in a similar way: people are capable of making their own choices, trying to control somebodies choice, thinking you know better than them, it just ends up showing how little they understand about it

Yeah, I sort of understand too, I mean, there was one point of my life where I still had hope of a happy and fulfilling life, and I sort of behaved like a pro-life, but I at least was open-minded and I finally got how pro-life is simply the incarnation of selfishness itself (funny thing is that's what I always thought, behaving like a pro-life for a short amount of time wasn't like me at all, but I was in such despair and I just wanted to try, it didn't take long before I realized how hypocritical and delusional such ideals are though).

I think they care more about feeling like they did the right thing than actually helping somebody.
it's very controlling...

Yeah, we all want to feel like we are doing the right thing, but come on, that's controlling... they don't actually want to help anyone, they just want to help themselves, have some peace of mind and think they are the heroes of society or something like that. Delusional to the extreme.

 

[Doss]

kay

 

[Bunnymmm]

Pro lifers are idiots, they don't know what pain is or are delusional about it.
Being a pro lifer is like judging about a disorder you don't have, just dumb.

Hunter x Hunter is goated

 

[Misfit72]

They are not 'pro-lifers', they are 'anti-choicers'. If Catholics are against abortion because they want more young people to defile, self-styled 'humanists' are against suicide because they want more old people to torment. I am pro-choice and pro-life, I just prefer quality of life over quantity or longevity of life.

 

[day]

There's so much selfishness in being anti-suicide it's pathetic. Robbing people of their right and dignity just so you can say you "helped" whilst they face endless suffering is futile. Everyone deserves to have a safe way out of this hell and to be able to find peace, denying that right only prolongs peoples suffering.

 

[SplitInfrastructure]

Honestly its always people who dont do shit to improve the quality of life to disabled people, children who were sent to an adoption center or honestly anyone who theyre trying so hard to 'protect', are the most vocal about suicide being bad
its honestly dehumanizing seeing pictures of suicide survivors with a sad story about why and how they did it

 

[geogaddi_676]

Agreed, adults should have the right to peacefully go when they see fit,why is it so hard to understand that life just is not for everyone. Future generations will be appalled by many of the norms of our current so called civilisation. Until it effects these people directly,they will not dig any deeper under the surface of issues they believe they have the moral highground on. ignorance blended with selfishness.

 

[HoleintheDark]

Pretty much every argument I've seen for pro-life has come from people who desperately want to believe in human persistence. The idea that anyone can just "keep going, no matter how tough it gets" and never give up on anything. It seems like most of them get it from all these movies and TV shows you see everywhere where "the good guys always win!!!" I'm never gonna forget when some guy argued pro-life to me by trying to convince me to watch Iron Man. Iron Man! 100% delusional.