sserafim

sserafim

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3/4 of the video is him rambling and yapping about his new fucking car. At the end is where he shits on NEETS for wanting to do nothing but smoke weed and jerk off in the house while the government pays for it with welfare. He says, "that sounds fucking depressing dude like don't you want to do something with your life?" as if people who are NEETS can't do something already. This guy made a video about ranting and venting about his wagiecuck life ZzzzZzzzz

"All jokes aside, why do something at all? Besides the ad hominem comments, Tom hasn't made any viable argument against this type of lifestyle. Humans are a pain to deal with. Society is a pain to deal with. Why participate in it at all"
 
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Forever Sleep

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Let's all go NEET! Where will the money to support us come from?
 
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Agon321

Agon321

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I agree that NEETs are losers.
I know this because I am also NEET.

I don't like to deceive myself.
Sometimes we have to swallow a pill of brutal truth.

In my opinion, NEETs are often freeloaders.
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
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Let's all go NEET! Where will the money to support us come from?
From the central bank!

The government gets the money back and pays it to the central bank. I'm aware that economics is a lil bit more complex but actually if all debt would disappear "money" would disappear in the same time.

I agree that NEETs are losers.
NEETs are not necessarily losers. I wouldn't say so. That whole stuff is much more complex but anyone who is NEET bc they are convinced this is the way to go is never a loser!

Sometimes it's better to be a NEET than an unhappy and stressed wage-slave.
 
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Forever Sleep

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From the central bank!

The government gets the money back and pays it to the central bank. I'm aware that economics is a lil bit more complex but actually if all debt would disappear "money" would disappear in the same time.


NEETs are not necessarily losers. I wouldn't say so. That whole stuff is much more complex but anyone who is NEET bc they are convinced this is the way to go is never a loser!

Sometimes it's better to be a NEET than an unhappy and stressed wage-slave.

Ok, but who grows the food we eat, builds the houses we live in, takes care of sanitation, provides healthcare? If we all stop working, we all essentially have to start providing for ourselves... which sounds a lot like work to me. Worse- work we can't all do. I don't know how to synthesize pain killers, build a house, grow enough food to live. Of course, it would be lovely if we only had to work if we felt like it but, I don't see how that could be possible for the majority of people.

The problem I have with the whole NEET thing is- they still expect some of us to work- in order to support them. Fine if they are utterly incapable but if not- it's a privelaged choice that only some people get to make. How is that ok? It's no more fair than anything else. I have a begrudging respect for them all the same. I don't have the guts for it. My family would give me hell!
 
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Agon321

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From the central bank!

The government gets the money back and pays it to the central bank. I'm aware that economics is a lil bit more complex but actually if all debt would disappear "money" would disappear in the same time.


NEETs are not necessarily losers. I wouldn't say so. That whole stuff is much more complex but anyone who is NEET bc they are convinced this is the way to go is never a loser!

Sometimes it's better to be a NEET than an unhappy and stressed wage-slave.
But are NEETs happy in the long term? Or is it just self-deception. For example, I'm not happy, but I'm happier than if I went to work now.
If "X" is better than "Y", it does not mean that "X" is good.

Also, money doesn't magically appear.
Such people have to earn money somehow.
If they don't earn money themselves, they are freeloaders to me.
Alternatively, such people earn money for some time and then use that money until it runs out.

I also didn't specify what exactly I meant, so that's my mistake.

What I meant was that we are losers from a system perspective and I understand why people see us that way.
I think there is no point in complaining about people who insult a group of people belonging to NEETs.
I completely understand the anger of such people.

I will give one example:
On the one hand, we have a person who works every day, pays taxes and generally makes an effort.
On the other hand, we have a person who most of the time does nothing but consumes resources and does not contribute much to society.

Being angry at the second group of people is completely understandable to me.

That's why I think NEETs are losers.

Another thing is that NEETs often complain about people who work.
People who provide, among other things, services used by NEETs.
This is an unfunny joke to me.
 
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Saturn_

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In my opinion, Turkey Tom represents everything wrong with this current era of YouTube. A smug, douchey twenty-something who acts like he is aloof and above it all, and swoops in like a vulture to capitalize off internet drama about people he otherwise wouldn't give a shit about. He's what you'd get if you castrated LeafyIsHere and removed everything that was at least somewhat compelling about his content -- puts on this "edgy", aloof persona while still bending over backwards for the algorithm to make sure he gets clicks, sponsorships and ad revenue. It's all superficial. I may not like Leafy but I at least had respect for his willingness to challenge YouTube's expectations for clean, sanitized content.

There is no passion or sincerity which goes into Tom's work, only a mindless obsession with gloating about drama to upholster an image of superiority. It's all nonsense. His sentiments are all an act. There is no insight to be gained from his content, only gossip. There is no love for what he does, no joy in creation. Only making money and standing atop the heads of others in order to make money. His videos are all white noise. Why can't YouTubers put out anything original anymore, or at least anything that has passion? Why is the current landscape of YouTube filled to the brim with these biweekly, dime-a-dozen summarizations of drama? These grandstandings of how wrong this guy is, and how superior I, the YouTuber, am by comparison? His every word is hollow, as are the words of any of these non-channels. Wouldn't take it seriously if I were you.
 
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Pluto

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This was funny in 392 BC. I think it's aged well.

Aristophanes quote lbu9j7i
 
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Praestat_Mori

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Ok, but who grows the food we eat, builds the houses we live in, takes care of sanitation, provides healthcare? If we all stop working, we all essentially have to start providing for ourselves... which sounds a lot like work to me. Worse- work we can't all do. I don't know how to synthesize pain killers, build a house, grow enough food to live. Of course, it would be lovely if we only had to work if we felt like it but, I don't see how that could be possible for the majority of people.

The problem I have with the whole NEET thing is- they still expect some of us to work- in order to support them. Fine if they are utterly incapable but if not- it's a privelaged choice that only some people get to make. How is that ok? It's no more fair than anything else. I have a begrudging respect for them all the same. I don't have the guts for it. My family would give me hell!
It's as I said it's a lot more complex than just "printing and spreading money". Money is a means of exchange for goods and what we need what we cannot have for free from nature any more. Even if we lived in our natural habitat we would have to do sth - at least searching for food every day - like all animals are doing but nature would provide everything we need for free. We humans populated regions we could not be able to live in without the abilities we have developed and the inventions we have made.

But are NEETs happy in the long term? Or is it just self-deception. For example, I'm not happy, but I'm happier than if I went to work now.
If "X" is better than "Y", it does not mean that "X" is good.

Also, money doesn't magically appear.
Such people have to earn money somehow.
If they don't earn money themselves, they are freeloaders to me.
Alternatively, such people earn money for some time and then use that money until it runs out.

I also didn't specify what exactly I meant, so that's my mistake.

What I meant was that we are losers from a system perspective and I understand why people see us that way.
I think there is no point in complaining about people who insult a group of people belonging to NEETs.
I completely understand the anger of such people.

I will give one example:
On the one hand, we have a person who works every day, pays taxes and generally makes an effort.
On the other hand, we have a person who most of the time does nothing but consumes resources and does not contribute much to society.

Being angry at the second group of people is completely understandable to me.

That's why I think NEETs are losers.

Another thing is that NEETs often complain about people who work.
People who provide, among other things, services used by NEETs.
This is an unfunny joke to me.
This is also a complex thing and I can only try to put in words what I have in mind about this. Each healthy (physically and mentally) human individual has special abilities that develop during childhood and early adulthood but not everyone is good in studies and academics for example. They're the "system losers" they inevitably suffer from lower paid jobs or not finding jobs at all. Maybe they were even forced from their parents to study although they would have had other qualities? We don't like to be forced.

I agree people who work everyday and accept their fate might be angry at NEETs but do they ever ask a NEET "What would be your dream job? How would you like to contribute to society without being forced?" We humans are social creatures but society and general economy is so huge and functional that it doesn't matter whether everyone contributes or not. I highly doubt that the existing economy could really give a well paid to job to all the 8 billion humans that are currently living on earth (still increasing!).

Money magically appears bc nowadays it's not even about actually printing ist it's just someone in the central bank types a number into an account and spreads it on other accounts. Backed by nothing. Ik it's a bit more complex but basically it's like that. All the luxury and developments we enjoy is based on debt.

I think everyone of us where ever we are living would be much happier if there were less social pressures (especially in regards of education/job/money) and if we were more connected with nature again.

I hope my thoughts make some sense.
 
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BardBarrie

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There's nothing to be proud of in being a NEET, and we certainly shouldn't insult those who work and contribute to the system we take from.

Being NEET isn't cool nor something to gloat about: it's either a case of being disabled or an inability/unwillingness to integrate.
 
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Agon321

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It's as I said it's a lot more complex than just "printing and spreading money". Money is a means of exchange for goods and what we need what we cannot have for free from nature any more. Even if we lived in our natural habitat we would have to do sth - at least searching for food every day - like all animals are doing but nature would provide everything we need for free. We humans populated regions we could not be able to live in without the abilities we have developed and the inventions we have made.


This is also a complex thing and I can only try to put in words what I have in mind about this. Each healthy (physically and mentally) human individual has special abilities that develop during childhood and early adulthood but not everyone is good in studies and academics for example. They're the "system losers" they inevitably suffer from lower paid jobs or not finding jobs at all. Maybe they were even forced from their parents to study although they would have had other qualities? We don't like to be forced.

I agree people who work everyday and accept their fate might be angry at NEETs but do they ever ask a NEET "What would be your dream job? How would you like to contribute to society without being forced?" We humans are social creatures but society and general economy is so huge and functional that it doesn't matter whether everyone contributes or not. I highly doubt that the existing economy could really give a well paid to job to all the 8 billion humans that are currently living on earth (still increasing!).

Money magically appears bc nowadays it's not even about actually printing ist it's just someone in the central bank types a number into an account and spreads it on other accounts. Backed by nothing. Ik it's a bit more complex but basically it's like that. All the luxury and developments we enjoy is based on debt.

I think everyone of us where ever we are living would be much happier if there were less social pressures (especially in regards of education/job/money) and if we were more connected with nature again.

I hope my thoughts make some sense.
And what you wrote makes NEETs losers for me.

We have slightly different things in mind.

I'm mainly not talking about the reasons why someone became a "loser"/NEET.
I'm talking about the consequences.
It is easier to talk about effects than causes, because there can be many more causes

If someone is very bad at coping on this planet, he is simply a loser.
In this case, it doesn't matter why.
Perspective is also important.
From one perspective, something/someone may be a loser, but from another perspective, not.

I have a cold and practical approach to such things.
For me, the most important thing is the effect.
The effect is that such people are worse for the system we live in, which makes them losers.

I agree with some points.
But I didn't mean how to minimize the effects of our system.
It's much more complicated than that.

When I wrote that money doesn't appear magically, I meant that we don't live in a world where anyone can type in a magic code for money. Everyone has to earn money somehow.
If you don't make money, you don't have money.
If you only use other people's money, you are a freeloader.
Again, I'm not specifically talking about the cause, just the effect and cold conclusion.
I am not talking about what our financial system is based on, because that is a completely different topic.

Our difference mainly lies in the fact that you have a more empathetic approach to such matters.
I have a much more cold approach.
I also meant the effects and consequences, not the reasons why someone is who they are.

I would also like to remind you that I am currently NEET, so I am also insulting myself.
I am not proud of my situation, I am aware of my weaknesses.
I just don't want to lie to myself.
But I'm heading towards death, so it doesn't really matter anymore.
 
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Mirrory Me

Mirrory Me

"More then your eyes can see."
Mar 23, 2023
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Oh well, when you're doing great in your life, you can just take a piss on people who are stuck in their lives...
 
lonely&trapped.

lonely&trapped.

I rather would be just a face in a crowd
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The fact that this video exists and its on this site is ironic to me. Also know that Turkey Tom is a bit of a twat.

The fact he thinks NEETs are losers and anyone struggling in life is a loser is the exact mindset/rhetoric of why mental health struggles in general are looked down upon; its why this site exists in the first place and the U.S. is currently losing the mental health battle in the medical field. The more we shame people into just telling them they are losers and invalidating their struggles, the less people are actually gonna wanna get help and tank their self esteem further. Only thing this video does for me personally is stregthen my suicidality and hopelessness further because of how its indicative of the direction society is going in and this rhetoric people in my life continue to spew at me instead of being actually concerned about my mental well being.

The thing that annoys me the most about this whole video is that the guy is a youtuber; he probably doesn't work anyway. It pisses me off he's fine with being completely disingenous, saying those who don't work are losers when he most likely chose to become a youtuber exactly so he doesn't have to work at all and got lucky with a lucrative career making algo slop; but he won't tell you that, because that would discredit this video and make his stance not seem credible. What an absolute POS. Most youtubers take themselves way too seriously, including Tom himself. Hes no better than anyone else and probably came from a background where he probably doesn't even need to work a day in his life anymore until youtube implodes on itself.

Also, counterpoint to Tom's video:





 
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ijustwishtodie

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Oct 29, 2023
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Aren't YouTubers technically NEETs? YouTube is more like passive income than a job
 
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Agon321

Agon321

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Aren't YouTubers technically NEETs? YouTube is more like passive income than a job
No.
YouTube can be a job.
Generally speaking, I wouldn't call it a passive source of income.
Some creators have to put a lot of time into preparing content.

Also, just because someone makes YouTube videos doesn't mean they don't do anything else.

Of course, some people on YouTube can be called NEET, but in my opinion it is unfair to call all creators NEET.
 
ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
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No.
YouTube can be a job.
Generally speaking, I wouldn't call it a passive source of income.
Some creators have to put a lot of time into preparing content.
Oh no, I can't imagine the horrors of sitting in a comfortable chair and earning money from playing games... oh my their "job" must be really difficult indeed!! Alright, sarcasm aside, I don't think that being a youtuber is significantly harder than being a wage slave (and yes, I know that not all of them just sit down and play games but some do). The only challenges that youtubers have to deal with are editing their videos but that's easy to do compared to being a wage slave. The main issue with being a youtuber is that, at the start, it relies luck on the algorithm being on your side but, once you do well from youtube, your life is set. Famous youtubers can take a break for months if they wanted to and they'd still have enough money for that... in fact they'd even get paid for saying that they're going to take a break. Try taking a break for a day in a wagie job and... yikes. I think that most people would rather get paid for playing games or giving commentary about certain topics rather than being exhausted all day through being a wagie
Also, just because someone makes YouTube videos doesn't mean they don't do anything else.
I'm not referring to these types of people. I'm referring to those who only do youtube
 
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Oh no, I can't imagine the horrors of sitting in a comfortable chair and earning money from playing games... oh my their "job" must be really difficult indeed!! Alright, sarcasm aside, I don't think that being a youtuber is significantly harder than being a wage slave (and yes, I know that not all of them just sit down and play games but some do). The only challenges that youtubers have to deal with are editing their videos but that's easy to do compared to being a wage slave. The main issue with being a youtuber is that, at the start, it relies luck on the algorithm being on your side but, once you do well from youtube, your life is set. Famous youtubers can take a break for months if they wanted to and they'd still have enough money for that... in fact they'd even get paid for saying that they're going to take a break. Try taking a break for a day in a wagie job and... yikes. I think that most people would rather get paid for playing games or giving commentary about certain topics rather than being exhausted all day through being a wagie

I'm not referring to these types of people. I'm referring to those who only do youtube
But that doesn't make them NEET.
Not in my opinion.

There are also people on YouTube who record scientific content.
I had such people in mind, among others.

Some people on YouTube can be qualified as NEET, but certainly not all of them. That's what I mean.

For me, NEET is a person who does not develop at all, does nothing and is often dependent on other people.
 
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ClownWorld2023

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Sep 18, 2023
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Aren't most NEETs just burntout people?
 
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ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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For me, NEET is a person who does not develop at all, does nothing and is often dependent on other people.
Then you found the wrong definition of a NEET. Being a NEET means "not in education, employment or training". It says nothing about development
 
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Agon321

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Then you found the wrong definition of a NEET. Being a NEET means "not in education, employment or training". It says nothing about development
When I say development, I mean training to find a job.

Also, not everyone who is unemployed is NEET.
Some people, for example, may take part in courses that develop them.
This does not make them NEET.
 
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qw3rty259

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Jun 19, 2023
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Some people, for example, may take part in courses that develop them.
This does not make them NEET.
That's why there's a "T" in the term.
 
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qw3rty259

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Jun 19, 2023
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I can understand why people get angry when NEETs are getting neetbucks from working class' taxes, but there are NEETs in the countries where there is no such thing as neetbuck, so I don't get what is your problem with them if you're hating them just because they don't work and are dependent on someone else (maybe temporarily). There are countless reasons for that. And the way those people live is their business only.
 
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Little_Suzy

Little_Suzy

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May 1, 2023
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After reaching the NEET age limit, what do you call yourself? You can't be a NEET forever!

The downside of being a NEET is that there are tried-and-true methods for establishing a solid financial foundation in your 20s that will require little effort to maintain once you reach your 30s.

Youth, beauty, and delusory ambition should not be wasted! :pfff:
 
lonely&trapped.

lonely&trapped.

I rather would be just a face in a crowd
Mar 22, 2024
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But that doesn't make them NEET.
Not in my opinion.

There are also people on YouTube who record scientific content.
I had such people in mind, among others.

Some people on YouTube can be qualified as NEET, but certainly not all of them. That's what I mean.

For me, NEET is a person who does not develop at all, does nothing and is often dependent on other people.
Doesn't matter if its your opinion, if they only do youtube and have no job outside of it then they are technically a NEET. Youtube can be a job but it has no job security because its not an actual job. Most people don't go down the Youtube route because it takes a lot of luck to make it on Youtube unless you make videos that the algorithm likes; and even then the algorithm is unpredictable and theres no gaurantee your content gets favored. Regardless, low effort content just so happens to be favored anyway and it usually is because its easier to make for less time needed to commit when Youtube is already risky to make money from unless you get lucky.
 
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LaVieEnRose

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Participation in society is a two-way street. The desire to do so is not enough. You have to be accepted and tolerated.
 
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