Another Execution By Nitrogen Set For Tonight in Alabama

[outrider567]

Demetrius Terence Frazier set to be executed tonight for two murders, one of the victims just 14 years old, also convicted of 8 other rapes--Nitrogen execution is too easy on these killers, but let's see if he fights it when it happens

 

[L'absent]

Tonight's execution is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act. Killing a killer does not fix anything, does not make the world better—it is merely legalized violence. If the State lowers itself to the level of a murderer, then it is no better than him.

 

[Corvette90]

14 years old is just a baby. what a sick sick person he is.

 

[whywere]

I totally agree with @Corvette90 in so far as anyone killing a child SHOULD be put to death period.

Walter

 

[Forever Sleep]

Tonight's execution is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act. Killing a killer does not fix anything, does not make the world better—it is merely legalized violence. If the State lowers itself to the level of a murderer, then it is no better than him.

I can't say I agree with capital punishement either. On the basis that our legal systems are too fallible.

Still, neither do I massively like the thought of serious criminals being released in order to reoffend. It likely wouldn't have happened with this guy. Most likely jail for life for two killings.

8 rapes though? Again, the court system is too fallible but I truly wish people who rape could be castrated after the first time. They'll surely be less likely to try again and it would be more of a deterrent for others. Again though- not realistic with the possibility of false accusations etc.

It's not just about punishment though. I think some people genuinely are a danger to society. Some likely shouldn't ever be released but- can we afford to actually house and feed and secure them? How can we even be sure they won't reoffend if they are released? I'd actually hate to be the person making those kind of calls.

This wasn't even a criminal as far as I believe. It was a very mentally disturbed man who was deemed to be making good enough progress by his psyche team to be released for periods of time. He bought an axe and killed a man cycling through a park. It's just very difficult. When do one person's liberties become more important that a communities safety? Same with Axel Rudakubana- the youth that stabbed and killed 3 children but was aiming for more. Police were very well aware of the threat he posed.

Obviously, that's different to capital punishment but, it's surely still concerned with resources and an offenders or very likely offenders rights. Obviously, they do need to have some rights but, not when they cripple the justice system itself and put everyone else at risk.

 

[L'absent]

I can't say I agree with capital punishement either. On the basis that our legal systems are too fallible.

Still, neither do I massively like the thought of serious criminals being released in order to reoffend. It likely wouldn't have happened with this guy. Most likely jail for life for two killings.

8 rapes though? Again, the court system is too fallible but I truly wish people who rape could be castrated after the first time. They'll surely be less likely to try again and it would be more of a deterrent for others. Again though- not realistic with the possibility of false accusations etc.

It's not just about punishment though. I think some people genuinely are a danger to society. Some likely shouldn't ever be released but- can we afford to actually house and feed and secure them? How can we even be sure they won't reoffend if they are released? I'd actually hate to be the person making those kind of calls.

This wasn't even a criminal as far as I believe. It was a very mentally disturbed man who was deemed to be making good enough progress by his psyche team to be released for periods of time. He bought an axe and killed a man cycling through a park. It's just very difficult. When do one person's liberties become more important that a communities safety? Same with Axel Rudakubana- the youth that stabbed and killed 3 children but was aiming for more. Police were very well aware of the threat he posed.

Obviously, that's different to capital punishment but, it's surely still concerned with resources and an offenders or very likely offenders rights. Obviously, they do need to have some rights but, not when they cripple the justice system itself and put everyone else at risk.

The death penalty is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act that does not make the world safer but only more violent. Data clearly shows that capital punishment is not an effective deterrent: in the United States, states that apply it often have higher murder rates than those that have abolished it. International studies have found that in several countries, after the abolition of the death penalty, the murder rate decreased. This demonstrates that capital punishment is not only morally questionable but also ineffective in preventing crime.
On the other hand, humane treatment of inmates and a prison system based on rehabilitation and social reintegration reduce recidivism and contribute to a safer society. Experiences like those at Bollate prison in Italy show that providing inmates with education and work opportunities significantly lowers the likelihood of reoffending. In Nordic countries such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, the prison system is focused on recovery and reintegration, and recidivism rates are among the lowest in the world. In Norway, only 20% of released prisoners reoffend within two years, while Finland has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe, proving that cruelty is not necessary to ensure safety.
Italy itself is among the countries with the lowest murder rates in the world, far lower than countries like the United States, where the death penalty is still enforced in several states. This demonstrates that it is not the severity of punishment that reduces crime but rather an effective judicial system, social policies that prevent hardship, and access to rehabilitation programs.
There are also concrete examples of people who, after committing serious crimes, have rehabilitated themselves and contributed positively to society. Shaka Senghor, after committing murder, became an author and activist for justice reform. Wilbert Rideau, convicted of murder, became an award-winning journalist. Cosimo Rega, a former member of the Camorra, found his redemption through theater. Anna Maria Franzoni, convicted of the murder of her three-year-old son, served her sentence and has now reintegrated without reoffending.
A particularly controversial case is Cesare Battisti, a terrorist from the Armed Proletarians for Communism, sentenced to life imprisonment for four murders committed during the "Years of Lead." For decades, he lived under the protection of the Mitterrand Doctrine, a French policy that granted asylum to former terrorists as long as they renounced armed struggle. Battisti rebuilt his life in France and later in Brazil, writing books and working as an intellectual, until his arrest in 2019 and extradition to Italy. His case divided public opinion: some see him as a criminal who unjustly benefited from legal loopholes, while others consider him an example of how life can take a different path after crime.
Some argue that an approach like Sweden's, which offers better prison conditions, might encourage crime. However, while Sweden has recently faced an increase in gang-related violence, countries with similar systems, such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, continue to have some of the lowest crime rates in the world. This suggests that the solution is not turning prisons into places of torture but rather addressing the root causes of crime with effective social and educational policies.
In the end, the real question is: what kind of justice do we want? A blind and vengeful justice that kills in the name of the law, or a justice that protects society without lowering itself to the level of murderers? If the State behaves like those it condemns, then it is no better than them.

Northern European prisons are often cited as examples of penitentiary structures focused on rehabilitation and the social reintegration of inmates. A notable case is Bastøy Island in Norway, where the prison has no bars, and inmates live in conditions that encourage responsibility and reintegration into society. This approach is based on the belief that treating inmates with dignity and providing them with education, psychological support, and financial assistance can significantly reduce recidivism rates. The goal is to prevent crime by addressing its root causes, such as social inequalities and stigma, rather than imposing severe punishments. In Italy, there are initiatives aimed at moving beyond the traditional prison model. The "Senza Sbarre" project proposes alternatives to detention based on work, integration, and personal redemption, offering inmates the opportunity to reintegrate into society in a positive way. Investing in a strong welfare state and promoting policies that reduce inequalities can help decrease the propensity for crime. Providing support to inmates during and after detention is essential to ensuring a real chance for reintegration and building a fairer and safer society. Below are some images illustrating the world's most humane prisons: Bastøy Prison, Norway - An example of a facility without bars, focused on inmate rehabilitation. "Senza Sbarre" Project in Italy - An initiative aimed at creating alternatives to traditional detention through work and integration. These facilities represent models of how a humane and recovery-oriented prison system can contribute to a more just and secure society.

 

[slinkey10]

The death penalty is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act that does not make the world safer but only more violent. Data clearly shows that capital punishment is not an effective deterrent: in the United States, states that apply it often have higher murder rates than those that have abolished it. International studies have found that in several countries, after the abolition of the death penalty, the murder rate decreased. This demonstrates that capital punishment is not only morally questionable but also ineffective in preventing crime.
On the other hand, humane treatment of inmates and a prison system based on rehabilitation and social reintegration reduce recidivism and contribute to a safer society. Experiences like those at Bollate prison in Italy show that providing inmates with education and work opportunities significantly lowers the likelihood of reoffending. In Nordic countries such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, the prison system is focused on recovery and reintegration, and recidivism rates are among the lowest in the world. In Norway, only 20% of released prisoners reoffend within two years, while Finland has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe, proving that cruelty is not necessary to ensure safety.
Italy itself is among the countries with the lowest murder rates in the world, far lower than countries like the United States, where the death penalty is still enforced in several states. This demonstrates that it is not the severity of punishment that reduces crime but rather an effective judicial system, social policies that prevent hardship, and access to rehabilitation programs.
There are also concrete examples of people who, after committing serious crimes, have rehabilitated themselves and contributed positively to society. Shaka Senghor, after committing murder, became an author and activist for justice reform. Wilbert Rideau, convicted of murder, became an award-winning journalist. Cosimo Rega, a former member of the Camorra, found his redemption through theater. Anna Maria Franzoni, convicted of the murder of her three-year-old son, served her sentence and has now reintegrated without reoffending.
A particularly controversial case is Cesare Battisti, a terrorist from the Armed Proletarians for Communism, sentenced to life imprisonment for four murders committed during the "Years of Lead." For decades, he lived under the protection of the Mitterrand Doctrine, a French policy that granted asylum to former terrorists as long as they renounced armed struggle. Battisti rebuilt his life in France and later in Brazil, writing books and working as an intellectual, until his arrest in 2019 and extradition to Italy. His case divided public opinion: some see him as a criminal who unjustly benefited from legal loopholes, while others consider him an example of how life can take a different path after crime.
Some argue that an approach like Sweden's, which offers better prison conditions, might encourage crime. However, while Sweden has recently faced an increase in gang-related violence, countries with similar systems, such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, continue to have some of the lowest crime rates in the world. This suggests that the solution is not turning prisons into places of torture but rather addressing the root causes of crime with effective social and educational policies.
In the end, the real question is: what kind of justice do we want? A blind and vengeful justice that kills in the name of the law, or a justice that protects society without lowering itself to the level of murderers? If the State behaves like those it condemns, then it is no better than them.
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Northern European prisons are often cited as examples of penitentiary structures focused on rehabilitation and the social reintegration of inmates. View attachment 159235A notable case is Bastøy Island in Norway, where the prison has no bars, and inmates live in conditions that encourage responsibility and reintegration into society.View attachment 159236 This approach is based on the belief that treating inmates with dignity and providing them with education, psychological support, and financial assistance can significantly reduce recidivism rates.View attachment 159238 The goal is to prevent crime by addressing its root causes, such as social inequalities and stigma, rather than imposing severe punishments. View attachment 159239In Italy, there are initiatives aimed at moving beyond the traditional prison model.View attachment 159240 The "Senza Sbarre" project proposes alternatives to detention based on work, integration, and personal redemption, offering inmates the opportunity to reintegrate into society in a positive way. View attachment 159241Investing in a strong welfare state and promoting policies that reduce inequalities can help decrease the propensity for crime. Providing support to inmates during and after detention is essential to ensuring a real chance for reintegration and building a fairer and safer society. Below are some images illustrating the world's most humane prisons: Bastøy Prison, Norway - An example of a facility without bars, focused on inmate rehabilitation. "Senza Sbarre" Project in Italy - An initiative aimed at creating alternatives to traditional detention through work and integration. These facilities represent models of how a humane and recovery-oriented prison system can contribute to a more just and secure society.

Agreed .... same logic as using CCTV everywhere to deter crime - it doesnt work.

 

[Endofpain]

Tonight's execution is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act. Killing a killer does not fix anything, does not make the world better—it is merely legalized violence. If the State lowers itself to the level of a murderer, then it is no better than him.

I am pro death penalty because there is no point in keeping those parasites alive for decades in prison with them wasting resources.

 

[outrider567]

Ok, the execution by Nitrogen was carried out without incident--Before he died, Frazier apologized to the family for murdering the 41 yr old woman 33 years ago, he said, 'It never should have happened'

 

[Aissling94]

It's awesome.

 

[The_Hunter]

The death penalty is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act that does not make the world safer but only more violent. Data clearly shows that capital punishment is not an effective deterrent: in the United States, states that apply it often have higher murder rates than those that have abolished it. International studies have found that in several countries, after the abolition of the death penalty, the murder rate decreased. This demonstrates that capital punishment is not only morally questionable but also ineffective in preventing crime.
On the other hand, humane treatment of inmates and a prison system based on rehabilitation and social reintegration reduce recidivism and contribute to a safer society. Experiences like those at Bollate prison in Italy show that providing inmates with education and work opportunities significantly lowers the likelihood of reoffending. In Nordic countries such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, the prison system is focused on recovery and reintegration, and recidivism rates are among the lowest in the world. In Norway, only 20% of released prisoners reoffend within two years, while Finland has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe, proving that cruelty is not necessary to ensure safety.
Italy itself is among the countries with the lowest murder rates in the world, far lower than countries like the United States, where the death penalty is still enforced in several states. This demonstrates that it is not the severity of punishment that reduces crime but rather an effective judicial system, social policies that prevent hardship, and access to rehabilitation programs.
There are also concrete examples of people who, after committing serious crimes, have rehabilitated themselves and contributed positively to society. Shaka Senghor, after committing murder, became an author and activist for justice reform. Wilbert Rideau, convicted of murder, became an award-winning journalist. Cosimo Rega, a former member of the Camorra, found his redemption through theater. Anna Maria Franzoni, convicted of the murder of her three-year-old son, served her sentence and has now reintegrated without reoffending.
A particularly controversial case is Cesare Battisti, a terrorist from the Armed Proletarians for Communism, sentenced to life imprisonment for four murders committed during the "Years of Lead." For decades, he lived under the protection of the Mitterrand Doctrine, a French policy that granted asylum to former terrorists as long as they renounced armed struggle. Battisti rebuilt his life in France and later in Brazil, writing books and working as an intellectual, until his arrest in 2019 and extradition to Italy. His case divided public opinion: some see him as a criminal who unjustly benefited from legal loopholes, while others consider him an example of how life can take a different path after crime.
Some argue that an approach like Sweden's, which offers better prison conditions, might encourage crime. However, while Sweden has recently faced an increase in gang-related violence, countries with similar systems, such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, continue to have some of the lowest crime rates in the world. This suggests that the solution is not turning prisons into places of torture but rather addressing the root causes of crime with effective social and educational policies.
In the end, the real question is: what kind of justice do we want? A blind and vengeful justice that kills in the name of the law, or a justice that protects society without lowering itself to the level of murderers? If the State behaves like those it condemns, then it is no better than them.
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Northern European prisons are often cited as examples of penitentiary structures focused on rehabilitation and the social reintegration of inmates. View attachment 159235A notable case is Bastøy Island in Norway, where the prison has no bars, and inmates live in conditions that encourage responsibility and reintegration into society.View attachment 159236 This approach is based on the belief that treating inmates with dignity and providing them with education, psychological support, and financial assistance can significantly reduce recidivism rates.View attachment 159238 The goal is to prevent crime by addressing its root causes, such as social inequalities and stigma, rather than imposing severe punishments. View attachment 159239In Italy, there are initiatives aimed at moving beyond the traditional prison model.View attachment 159240 The "Senza Sbarre" project proposes alternatives to detention based on work, integration, and personal redemption, offering inmates the opportunity to reintegrate into society in a positive way. View attachment 159241Investing in a strong welfare state and promoting policies that reduce inequalities can help decrease the propensity for crime. Providing support to inmates during and after detention is essential to ensuring a real chance for reintegration and building a fairer and safer society. Below are some images illustrating the world's most humane prisons: Bastøy Prison, Norway - An example of a facility without bars, focused on inmate rehabilitation. "Senza Sbarre" Project in Italy - An initiative aimed at creating alternatives to traditional detention through work and integration. These facilities represent models of how a humane and recovery-oriented prison system can contribute to a more just and secure society.

Thank you so much for such an exhaustively well documented post! It's almost like an entire article on this matter; simply marvelous! Many thanks for your words and pertinent information on this subject. There are so many thought provoking details cited here; really quite notable.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

I am pro death penalty because there is no point in keeping those parasites alive for decades in prison with them wasting resources.

Execution is actually more expensive than life in prison all around the country. On average it costs about $1 million more to execute an inmate rather than locking them up for life without parole. Legal fees add up quick, and death penalty cases are complex and automatically go through multiple rounds of appeals. Death row inmates are also housed in a separate part of the prison which costs more.

Tonight's execution is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act. Killing a killer does not fix anything, does not make the world better—it is merely legalized violence. If the State lowers itself to the level of a murderer, then it is no better than him.

I agree with this, using death as a punishment is barbaric and misguided.

What boggles my mind is that people want to punish criminals by killing them, which prevents them from being punished. What's the logic in that???? The prisoner will never even know they were executed, and they get to escape from prison scot free! Other prisoners languish for decades, and I'm sure many wish they were dead.

Being locked up in prison is a terrible experience, and being locked up for decades until you die would be unimaginably painful. I don't believe in torture, but sentencing criminals to life so they waste away experiencing the agony of life behind bars indefinitely seems like a form of torture, and I don't understand how killing the prisoner so they don't experience anything anymore isn't just reducing the punishment for no benefit.

 

[L'absent]

Thank you so much for such an exhaustively well documented post! It's almost like an entire article on this matter; simply marvelous! Many thanks for your words and pertinent information on this subject. There are so many thought provoking details cited here; really quite notable.

Thank you for your kind words! I have tried to gather information and concrete cases to show that there are more effective alternatives to the death penalty. I'm glad that the post has sparked your curiosity! If you have any other sources or experiences to share, I would love to hear about them. I am used to collecting information from multiple sources – people, official documents, life experiences – because this helps me refine my responses and gain a deeper understanding of various topics.

A big, warm hug!

 

[babouflo201223]

The death penalty is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act that does not make the world safer but only more violent. Data clearly shows that capital punishment is not an effective deterrent: in the United States, states that apply it often have higher murder rates than those that have abolished it. International studies have found that in several countries, after the abolition of the death penalty, the murder rate decreased. This demonstrates that capital punishment is not only morally questionable but also ineffective in preventing crime.
On the other hand, humane treatment of inmates and a prison system based on rehabilitation and social reintegration reduce recidivism and contribute to a safer society. Experiences like those at Bollate prison in Italy show that providing inmates with education and work opportunities significantly lowers the likelihood of reoffending. In Nordic countries such as Iceland, Norway, and Finland, the prison system is focused on recovery and reintegration, and recidivism rates are among the lowest in the world. In Norway, only 20% of released prisoners reoffend within two years, while Finland has one of the lowest incarceration rates in Europe, proving that cruelty is not necessary to ensure safety.
Italy itself is among the countries with the lowest murder rates in the world, far lower than countries like the United States, where the death penalty is still enforced in several states. This demonstrates that it is not the severity of punishment that reduces crime but rather an effective judicial system, social policies that prevent hardship, and access to rehabilitation programs.
There are also concrete examples of people who, after committing serious crimes, have rehabilitated themselves and contributed positively to society. Shaka Senghor, after committing murder, became an author and activist for justice reform. Wilbert Rideau, convicted of murder, became an award-winning journalist. Cosimo Rega, a former member of the Camorra, found his redemption through theater. Anna Maria Franzoni, convicted of the murder of her three-year-old son, served her sentence and has now reintegrated without reoffending.
A particularly controversial case is Cesare Battisti, a terrorist from the Armed Proletarians for Communism, sentenced to life imprisonment for four murders committed during the "Years of Lead." For decades, he lived under the protection of the Mitterrand Doctrine, a French policy that granted asylum to former terrorists as long as they renounced armed struggle. Battisti rebuilt his life in France and later in Brazil, writing books and working as an intellectual, until his arrest in 2019 and extradition to Italy. His case divided public opinion: some see him as a criminal who unjustly benefited from legal loopholes, while others consider him an example of how life can take a different path after crime.
Certains estiment qu'une approche comme celle de la Suède, qui offre de meilleures conditions de détention, pourrait encourager la criminalité. Pourtant, alors que la Suède a récemment été confrontée à une augmentation de la violence liée aux gangs, des pays dotés de systèmes similaires, comme l'Islande, la Norvège et la Finlande, continuent d'avoir des taux de criminalité parmi les plus bas du monde. Cela suggère que la solution ne consiste pas à transformer les prisons en lieux de torture, mais plutôt à s'attaquer aux causes profondes de la criminalité par des politiques sociales et éducatives efficaces.
En fin de compte, la vraie question est : quelle justice voulons-nous ? Une justice aveugle et vengeresse qui tue au nom de la loi, ou une justice qui protège la société sans s'abaisser au rang d'assassin ? Si l'État se comporte comme ceux qu'il condamne, il ne vaut pas mieux qu'eux.
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Les prisons du nord de l'Europe sont souvent citées comme exemples de structures pénitentiaires axées sur la réhabilitation et la réinsertion sociale des détenus. View attachment 159235Un cas notable est celui de l'île de Bastøy en Norvège, où la prison n'a pas de barreaux et où les détenus vivent dans des conditions qui encouragent la responsabilité et la réinsertion sociale. View attachment 159236 Cette approche repose sur la conviction que traiter les détenus avec dignité et leur fournir une éducation, un soutien psychologique et une aide financière peut réduire considérablement les taux de récidive. View attachment 159238 L'objectif est de prévenir la criminalité en s'attaquant à ses causes profondes, telles que les inégalités sociales et la stigmatisation, plutôt qu'en imposant des sanctions sévères. View attachment 159239En Italie, des initiatives visent à dépasser le modèle carcéral traditionnel. View attachment 159240 Le projet « Senza Sbarre » propose des alternatives à la détention basées sur le travail, l'intégration et la rédemption personnelle, offrant aux détenus la possibilité de se réinsérer dans la société de manière positive. View attachment 159241Investir dans un État providence fort et promouvoir des politiques qui réduisent les inégalités peuvent contribuer à réduire la propension à la criminalité. Fournir un soutien aux détenus pendant et après la détention est essentiel pour garantir une réelle chance de réinsertion et construire une société plus juste et plus sûre. Vous trouverez ci-dessous quelques images illustrant les prisons les plus humaines du monde : Prison de Bastøy, Norvège - Un exemple d'établissement sans barreaux, axé sur la réinsertion des détenus. Projet « Senza Sbarre » en Italie - Une initiative visant à créer des alternatives à la détention traditionnelle par le travail et l'insertion. Ces établissements sont des modèles de la manière dont un système pénitentiaire humain et axé sur la réinsertion peut contribuer à une société plus juste et plus sûre.

Clever and very complete analysis, you're the best ! With more people like you on this earth, things could change for a better world. Thank you. I think that the part "psy cares", even in isolated but human cells for people who made horrible things would be an emergency. If there is a little chance to really care such "awful" people and to change them in better ones, our mankind deserves to try that. One awful person changed in a good one is always a victory. It would never excuse what they did, but if the purpose of mankind is to become better and wiser, we need better and wiser solutions than the old barbarian ones that mean a never-ending barbarian cycle.

 

[Eternal Illusions]

Tonight's execution is not justice; it is an abominable and medieval act. Killing a killer does not fix anything, does not make the world better—it is merely legalized violence. If the State lowers itself to the level of a murderer, then it is no better than him.

There is a difference between murder and killing. Killing is justified, whereas a murder is unjustified. This killing is justified because it will end the chain of negative mental states for him and everyone else from this point forward.
Demetrius Frazier Gas Execution

Demetrius Terrence Frazier was executed by nitrogen hypoxia on February 6, 2025, in Alabama. The execution involved placing a respirator gas mask over his face to replace breathable air with pure nitrogen gas, causing death by lack of oxygen. Media witnesses, including The Associated Press, had previously described how those put to death with the method shook on the gurney at the start of their executions. However, a federal judge ruled that the descriptions of the executions did not support a finding that any of the men "experienced severe psychological pain or distress over and above what is inherent in any execution". During Frazier's execution, he made a few gasping breaths at first before transitioning to a series of sporadic breaths and ceased all movements at 6:21 p.m..17 Corrections Commissioner John Hamm believed that Frazier lost consciousness quickly and that other movements were involuntary.

 

[L'absent]

There is a difference between murder and killing. Killing is justified, whereas a murder is unjustified. This killing is justified because it will end the chain of negative mental states for him and everyone else from this point forward.
Demetrius Frazier Gas Execution

Demetrius Terrence Frazier was executed by nitrogen hypoxia on February 6, 2025, in Alabama. The execution involved placing a respirator gas mask over his face to replace breathable air with pure nitrogen gas, causing death by lack of oxygen. Media witnesses, including The Associated Press, had previously described how those put to death with the method shook on the gurney at the start of their executions. However, a federal judge ruled that the descriptions of the executions did not support a finding that any of the men "experienced severe psychological pain or distress over and above what is inherent in any execution". During Frazier's execution, he made a few gasping breaths at first before transitioning to a series of sporadic breaths and ceased all movements at 6:21 p.m..17 Corrections Commissioner John Hamm believed that Frazier lost consciousness quickly and that other movements were involuntary.

The distinction between "murder" and "justified killing" is just a linguistic construct to legitimize institutional violence. Saying that Frazier's death is "justified" because it ends a "chain of negative mental states" is a dangerously simplistic argument, because it assumes that the solution to violence is more violence. But if that were true, why stop here? Why not apply the same logic to every other crime? The truth is that there is no rational justification for the death penalty that is not rooted in vengeance.
You say this execution "will put an end" to negativity for everyone. But how? The victims are still dead. Their families have not gotten their loved ones back. Has the crime been "compensated" in any way? No. And is society truly safer today? No, because the root of the problem remains untouched. The death penalty is not a deterrent and does not prevent crime. States that enforce it often have higher murder rates than those that do not. So what's left? Only the satisfaction of the illusion of "balancing the scales."
And then there's the most hypocritical aspect of all this: those who carry out the killing remain unpunished. The state can legally take a life, but if a citizen does the same, it's a crime. The only difference is the legal seal that justifies it. But death remains death. A body writhing on the gurney, struggling to breathe, ceasing to move under the state's watchful eye, is nothing more than a public execution disguised as a civilized act. And the fact that even witnesses present notice the suffering while courts struggle to argue that there was no "severe pain" only proves it further. This is not justice. It is a display of power.
If we truly believe in justice, we must ask ourselves: do we want a society that prevents violence or one that endlessly reproduces it, disguising it as legality? Because as long as the state lowers itself to killing, it does nothing but perpetuate the same brutality it pretends to condemn.

 

[Eternal Illusions]

The distinction between "murder" and "justified killing" is just a linguistic construct to legitimize institutional violence. Saying that Frazier's death is "justified" because it ends a "chain of negative mental states" is a dangerously simplistic argument, because it assumes that the solution to violence is more violence. But if that were true, why stop here? Why not apply the same logic to every other crime? The truth is that there is no rational justification for the death penalty that is not rooted in vengeance.
You say this execution "will put an end" to negativity for everyone. But how? The victims are still dead. Their families have not gotten their loved ones back. Has the crime been "compensated" in any way? No. And is society truly safer today? No, because the root of the problem remains untouched. The death penalty is not a deterrent and does not prevent crime. States that enforce it often have higher murder rates than those that do not. So what's left? Only the satisfaction of the illusion of "balancing the scales."
And then there's the most hypocritical aspect of all this: those who carry out the killing remain unpunished. The state can legally take a life, but if a citizen does the same, it's a crime. The only difference is the legal seal that justifies it. But death remains death. A body writhing on the gurney, struggling to breathe, ceasing to move under the state's watchful eye, is nothing more than a public execution disguised as a civilized act. And the fact that even witnesses present notice the suffering while courts struggle to argue that there was no "severe pain" only proves it further. This is not justice. It is a display of power.
If we truly believe in justice, we must ask ourselves: do we want a society that prevents violence or one that endlessly reproduces it, disguising it as legality? Because as long as the state lowers itself to killing, it does nothing but perpetuate the same brutality it pretends to condemn.

What is your solution to the people that commit atrocious acts of violence?

 

[The_Hunter]

Thank you for your kind words! I have tried to gather information and concrete cases to show that there are more effective alternatives to the death penalty. I'm glad that the post has sparked your curiosity! If you have any other sources or experiences to share, I would love to hear about them. I am used to collecting information from multiple sources – people, official documents, life experiences – because this helps me refine my responses and gain a deeper understanding of various topics.

A big, warm hug!

Glad to know you're open to more sources ^^ In this case I shall oblige and add!

I would like to add that the death penalty is much more expensive financially than lifetime imprisonment. And so it's not only deeply flawed for the reasons you mentioned; but a waste of money, too.

Hugs & warmth to you as well friend