Venting An good analogy showing how CTB preventionists often keep dodging, evading the "real cause" for CTB

[TAW122]

I just had an analogy about how CTB preventionists often keep avoiding the 'elephant in the room' (the real cause/reason for someone to want to CTB, but keep trying to prevent CTB without addressing the reason(s) or cause.). It is infuriating that CTB prevention efforts are solely just focused on preventing the act, regardless of the context, and oftenly ignore the aftermath (consequences that follow (a failed) CTB attempt). This analogy is the flat tire analogy, and hopefully it will make sense the way I describe it.

Normally, when someone has a flat tire, they would diagnose to "why" or the cause of a flat tire (be it a leak in the stem valve, stand, or maybe there is an foreign object that punctured the tire, etc.), other than claiming, "just [keep adding or] add air to it!" Anyone who claims that would be dismissed as idiotic or even irrational. Instead, most (rational) people would try to find out "why" the tire is flat and if adding air doesn't just solve it, whether it be a leak, poor seal, or even a puncture (to be sealed), they would troubleshoot to diagnose the cause, and address that (if appropriate), then proceed from there. Once that is done, the flat tire is fixed and no longer flat.

However, when it comes to wanting to CTB for whatever reason or cause, many preventionists and such ignore the cause or reasoning and just solely focus on preventing the act, regardless of the cause as well as the consequences that follow their actions. If the agent (person being intervened against by the preventionist) suffers as a result of the interventionist, there is no accountability, worse yet, doubling down by their peers, dismissal of their plight, and more, but that's another thread altogether. In short, the analogy just illustrates how CTB preventionists fail to address the cause or reason of CTB, and using the flat tire analogy, it makes sense that if most (rational) people wouldn't do that, then it would be illogical for them to do that when it comes to the real cause of CTB!

 

[Tautochrome]

If only there were easy fixes. Sometimes the causes are too profound, or too embarrassing, or obfuscated. Often the "fix" would need to consist of a major systemic change, an impossible miracle, rather than a hug. Perhaps people don't investigate the reasons because they can't do anything about them. It's awful to hear, but a single person can only do so much, and nobody is entitled to anyone else's help. Other people don't have your back, the government and the therapists will never offer enough

 

[sanctionedusage]

super ironic. the only point of society (and government) is specifically for human beings to have each other's backs, instead of succumbing to natural selection individually. suicide is just the type of natural selection that prevails when that idea fails.

nobody is entitled to anyone else's help. Other people don't have your back

 

[MajorMalfunction]

If only there were easy fixes. Sometimes the causes are too profound, or too embarrassing, or obfuscated. Often the "fix" would need to consist of a major systemic change, an impossible miracle, rather than a hug. Perhaps people don't investigate the reasons because they can't do anything about them. It's awful to hear, but a single person can only do so much, and nobody is entitled to anyone else's help. Other people don't have your back, the government and the therapists will never offer enough

Major systemic change is needed. Governments take suicide preventionist scripts from scholars. Scholars exclude those living with suicidal ideation from their research, focusing on talking to psychiatrists or social workers. Psychiatrists and social workers filter the experiences of their client with suicidal ideation through the lens of the current suicidal preventionist script and their own biases.

Even the relatively new field of critical suicidality is making many of these same mistakes, and perpetuating many of the same harms that existing suicide prevention strategies cause.

No one wants to address the concept of suicidal ideation without it being attached to an active crisis. Because at least when it's attached to somebody actively in crisis, we can incarcerate them, we can strip them of rights and autonomy, and we can forcibly medicate them. Passive suicidal ideation is something our social, political, and medical systems are not geared to deal with.

 

[Topaz111]

The sad truth is, while some people react this way due to fear, helplessness or because it's the way they are taught to act, most pro life people simply do not care about the suicidal person and don't want to face the sad realities of our world. They want to feel good about themselves because they "saved a life" and such. Again, this isn't how every pro lifer is, but most of them do think this way, especially if they are strangers