An apology

[Taylor]

As a Christian I feel a lot of guilt when I'm aware of the sin I commit, and it's still eating at me today for how I may have lashed out at those who made fun of me or challenged my beliefs, and threatened that you would go to Hell if you didn't believe, instead of loving my neighbor and my "enemies". I don't care if you make fun of me or my beliefs, that's just what I strongly believe, and I know how much pain and suffering you're in to be here in the first place. It breaks my heart and we all are in it together, I just hate the thought of you being trapped in it forever, when I know the Savior who loves you and wants to get you out of it for good. So I just wanted to say I'm sorry and I respect your beliefs either way. I won't proactively offer my faith here anymore to the public, but for anyone who is interested or needs help in understanding Jesus and what He did for you, please don't hesitate to ask!! I'd be happy to guide you. :)

 

[Misanthrope]

You are entirely entitled to your faith Taylor. It is obvious it comes from a place of compassion, that is what likely makes you so passionate. Outside of your faith you consistently demonstrate kindness to others on this site anyway. So I respect your character just not your religion.

Peace.

 

[Taylor]

You are entirely entitled to your faith Taylor. It is obvious it comes from a place of compassion, that is what likely makes you so passionate. Outside of your faith you consistently demonstrate kindness to others on this site anyway. So I respect your character just not your religion.

Peace.

Thank you! I'm glad you see it that way, I'd say you're entirely correct. Peace be with you!

 

[Apostle]

I've never seen you do anything that I'd consider an attack against anyone else, I would say you were just expressing how strong your beliefs were, and making an effort to be informative about your faith. I apologize if I or anyone else who disagrees came across as harshly critical, confrontational, or scornful. I didn't intend that at all (though I can see how I might've acted like it), and I'm pretty sure most, or all, of us have nothing against you or anything you said. So, don't worry about it. Everything seems good. And even if something bad did happen, it's pretty clear you've moved past it and are sincerely looking for forgiveness. Which I'm sure you already have.

 

[Taylor]

I've never seen you do anything that I'd consider an attack against anyone else, I would say you were just expressing how strong your beliefs were, and making an effort to be informative about your faith. I apologize if I or anyone else who disagrees came across as harshly critical, confrontational, or scornful. I didn't intend that at all (though I can see how I might've acted like it), and I'm pretty sure most, or all, of us have nothing against you or anything you said. So, don't worry about it. Everything seems good. And even if something bad did happen, it's pretty clear you've moved past it and are sincerely looking for forgiveness. Which I'm sure you already have.

Thanks @Apostle I'd say the exact same! Plus I didn't view your input as confrontational or condescending by any means, more so just expressing and discussing your view in a neutral and nonchalant manner.

 

[Santiago]

I believe I was one of the people who you were mad at.

That topic got locked before I was able to make my point.

We weren't making fun of your beliefs. You and anyone else can feel free to believe whatever they want. We just didn't like the fact you insisted your belief was correct (and thus not really a belief anymore) due to you having so called evidence when the real truth is that neither side has evidence for what they belief

 

[Taylor]

I believe I was one of the people who you were mad at.

That topic got locked before I was able to make my point.

We weren't making fun of your beliefs. You and anyone else can feel free to believe whatever they want. We just didn't like the fact you insisted your belief was correct (and thus not really a belief anymore) due to you having so called evidence when the real truth is that neither side has evidence for what they belief

Very true, in that aspect I understand entirely where you're coming from, none of us know for sure. An interesting thing to consider though, which I didn't even think to bring up before, is the science behind DNA. It's astounding. It's literally like binary code, for each and every individual, and no one on Earth has the exact same code. Every single created being is unique, much like our finger prints. Could there be an intelligent creator of a higher power responsible for this code? Well that's beyond our comprehension, but it would certainly appear to lead in that direction.

 

[Deleted member 1496]

none of us know for sure. An interesting thing to consider though...it would certainly appear to lead in that direction.

I don't know what happened in the original thread, but you're somewhat doing it again, going from personal belief to universally correct. You move from "none of us know" to "but it would certainly appear to lead in that (intelligent creator) direction".

You can talk about your belief, but maybe not talk as if everyone else would or should ever see the same thing. Especially in pro-choice forum, accept that others have a totally different and equally valid point of view. If someone writes, "I think sea urchin is one of the best foods in the world, this is why I like it, but I totally understand when others say it's gross", people can agree and disagree, but you're words aren't insistent or confrontational. You can still have your belief and they can have theirs.

As an aside, uniqueness in science doesn't lead to any direction of an intelligent creator or higher power. If anything, uniqueness shows a uniform distribution that speaks more to randomness. We can be amazed by the uniqueness, but that doesn't lead us to a direction. For a direction, we'd need more funding for research. :)

 

[Taylor]

I don't know what happened in the original thread, but you're somewhat doing it again, going from personal belief to universally correct. You move from "none of us know" to "but it would certainly appear to lead in that (intelligent creator) direction".

You can talk about your belief, but maybe not talk as if everyone else would or should ever see the same thing. Especially in pro-choice forum, accept that others have a totally different and equally valid point of view. If someone writes, "I think sea urchin is one of the best foods in the world, this is why I like it, but I totally understand when others say it's gross", people can agree and disagree, but you're words aren't insistent or confrontational. You can still have your belief and they can have theirs.

As an aside, uniqueness in science doesn't lead to any direction of an intelligent creator or higher power. If anything, uniqueness shows a uniform distribution that speaks more to randomness. We can be amazed by the uniqueness, but that doesn't lead us to a direction. For a direction, we'd need more funding for research. :)

I see it that way now, I was just supporting an idea that could possibly validate my belief, but not implying that it is universally correct. I meant that one could assume that, just like someone else could assume nothing of it like you said. I see it best to just agree to disagree and leave it at that, in such a diverse environment.

 

[Ashton]

Hey Taylor , glad to see and meet another brother .

 

[Taylor]

Hey Taylor , glad to see and meet another brother .

Likewise!!

 

[Meretlein]

I believe I was one of the people who you were mad at.

That topic got locked before I was able to make my point.

We weren't making fun of your beliefs. You and anyone else can feel free to believe whatever they want. We just didn't like the fact you insisted your belief was correct (and thus not really a belief anymore) due to you having so called evidence when the real truth is that neither side has evidence for what they belief

Didn't some people hijack his thread though? As an atheist, I stay out of religious threads. What's the point of ruining someone's faith?

 

[Santiago]

Didn't some people hijack his thread though? As an atheist, I stay out of religious threads. What's the point of ruining someone's faith?

We didn't hijack it. We were arguing with him because he was acting very delusional. What is the point of him making a thread insisting our atheist belief is false?

That whole thread was aimed at converting us and 'showing us the real truth' which he backed up with verses from the bible.

Once again it's all good though.

 

[Taylor]

We didn't hijack it. We were arguing with him because he was acting very delusional. What is the point of him making a thread insisting our atheist belief is false?

That whole thread was aimed at converting us and 'showing us the real truth' which he backed up with verses from the bible.

Once again it's all good though.

Well I would think "delusional" is rather condescending. It may appear that way according to your view. According to my people it is a way of life. Again, to each their own.

 

[alizee]

I don't think anyone holds anything against you about Christianity and yourself. The self need to cling to an ideology of worshipping a supposedly almighty God is just another form of a mental illness. I think people give leeway on this forum to people who have some kind of mental illness. I myself have the mental illness gender dysphoria and I'm sure it effects other people as well. Maybe some day you can make it so your mental illness doesn't effect others in a bad way if that's what occured.

 

[Taylor]

I don't think anyone holds anything against you about Christianity and yourself. The self need to cling to an ideology of worshipping a supposedly almighty God is just another form of a mental illness. I think people give leeway on this forum to people who have some mental illness. I myself have the mental illness gender dysphoria and I'm sure it effects other people as well. Maybe some day you can make it so your mental illness doesn't effect others.

Calling someone mentally ill based of their religious belief is pretty confrontational, ignorant and biased, wouldn't you agree? I think a lot of others here would.

 

[alizee]

Calling someone mentally ill based of their religious belief is pretty confrontational and ignorant, wouldn't you agree?

No, it's an old tradition with no rational or real evidence associated with it. There is a difference between people who have read the bible, similar to reading history and others who become fixated upon a certain story about one's type of God with deciding to treat it as real. It's similar to any other sort of mental illness and it can actually make a person behave unhealthy to others.

 

[Meretlein]

We didn't hijack it. We were arguing with him because he was acting very delusional. What is the point of him making a thread insisting our atheist belief is false?

That whole thread was aimed at converting us and 'showing us the real truth' which he backed up with verses from the bible.

Once again it's all good though.

I just skimmed the thread but I remembered it as something like "any Christians here". I could be confusing it with another because he has made/posted in a few Christian threads.

 

[Taylor]

I just skimmed the thread but I remembered it as something like "any Christians here". I could be confusing it with another because he has made/posted in a few Christian threads.

Yeah I think I was the one who basically hijacked another believer's thread here to preach the gospel honestly lol. That's the one that got deleted.

 

[Santiago]

Well I would think "delusional" is rather condescending. It may appear that way according to your view. According to my people it is a way of life. Again, to each their own.

I think you understood me wrong though. You are not delusional for believing in a god. That's not what I am saying.

What I meant was you were being delusional by acting like a verse from the bible equals evidence. To you it might be truth and that is completely fine. That is what you believe, but belief doesn't equal evidence.

And no I don't agree either that religion is a mental illness.

 

[Taylor]

I think you understood me wrong though. You are not delusional for believing in a god. That's not what I am saying.

What I meant was you were being delusional by acting like a verse from the bible equals evidence. To you it might be truth and that is completely fine. That is what you believe, but belief doesn't equal evidence.

And no I don't agree either that religion is a mental illness.

Oh right on. I see what you're saying now. Yeah from our point of view it is the literal word of God that we live by.

 

[Tally]

As a Christian I feel a lot of guilt when I'm aware of the sin I commit, and it's still eating at me today for how I may have lashed out at those who made fun of me or challenged my beliefs, and threatened that you would go to Hell if you didn't believe, instead of loving my neighbor and my "enemies". I don't care if you make fun of me or my beliefs, that's just what I strongly believe, and I know how much pain and suffering you're in to be here in the first place. It breaks my heart and we all are in it together, I just hate the thought of you being trapped in it d thforever, when I know the Savior who loves you and wants to get you out of it for good. So I just wanted to say I'm sorry and I respect your beliefs either way. I won't proactively offer my faith here anymore to the public, but for anyone who is interested or needs help in understanding Jesus and what He did for you, please don't hesitate to ask!! I'd be happy to guide you. :)

Sadly Christians are so often unable to do anything but preach. They are also unable to see that the god that they believe in, even in the word of the bible is a cruel, evil and unrighteous god. I don't believe in god and never will, there is no place for preaching the values of god to the suicidal, as it is the ultimate answer that god offers nothing

 

[alizee]

I think you understood me wrong though. You are not delusional for believing in a god. That's not what I am saying.

What I meant was you were being delusional by acting like a verse from the bible equals evidence. To you it might be truth and that is completely fine. That is what you believe, but belief doesn't equal evidence.

And no I don't agree either that religion is a mental illness.

Do you understand the definition of mental illness and who're you agreeing with? Nothing is wrong with being mentally ill if you're able to manage it in a way that doesn't effect you behaving negatively to others. Also if you read my posts with considering how ill-actions are triggered by a person who is fixated upon the belief of a certain God and then interacting with others in a way that the person who is being interacted finds it all negative.. Neither you or Taylor should be offended by what I wrote unless you find being associated as mentally-ill offensive and which really shouldn't be the case unless you're so prideful to ignore acknowledgement.

 

[Santiago]

Do you understand the definition of mental illness and who're you agreeing with? Nothing is wrong with being mentally ill if you're able to manage it in a way that doesn't effect you behaving negatively to others. Also if you read my posts with considering how ill-actions are triggered by a person who is fixated upon the belief of a certain God and then interacting with others in a way that the person who is being interacted finds it all negative.. Neither you or Taylor should be offended by what I wrote unless you find being associated as mentally-ill offensive and which really shouldn't be the case unless you're so prideful to ignore acknowledgement.

Uh? I just said I don't agree religion is a mental illness. You are going to have to do a hell of a lot more to offend me haha

 

[alizee]

Uh? I just said I don't agree religion is a mental illness. You are going to have to do a hell of a lot more to offend me haha

I'm curious to why you wrote it in the first place.

I'm not trying to offend anyone and I just wrote how being fixated upon an ideology to the point of behaving negatively towards others because of the ideology is in correlation with mental illness.

 

[Ivenocare]

Never talked to you Taylor, but always respected your faith and obligation to it; find peace brother.

 

[Deleted member 1496]

I see it that way now, I was just supporting an idea that could possibly validate my belief, but not implying that it is universally correct. I meant that one could assume that, just like someone else could assume nothing of it like you said. I see it best to just agree to disagree and leave it at that, in such a diverse environment.

I didn't say someone could assume nothing of it, because that's a direction too. As opposed to your "it would certainly appear to lead in that direction", I'm saying random data means no leads or assumptions at all; hence, my "we need more research for any direction (para)".

But yes, at this point we should agree to disagree because we might be disagreeing on what science does.

 

[Taylor]

Never talked to you Taylor, but always respected your faith and obligation to it; find peace brother.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see this until now! Thank you, I've noticed a lot of your activity, liking my posts and such. I'm guessing you're a follower of Christ too? If so, that's wonderful! Keep walking in the light of His presence, our time will come.