Venting All of the stigma surrounding suicide is honestly absurd

[FuneralCry]

Because in reality humans are just enduring futile and meaningless existences, just waiting around to die anyway, the truth is that death is the most normal thing and we are only destined to be forgotten about, people die everyday and I bet that eventually most of us won't even exist in the memories of those who continue to stay here.

So when one sees things this way, it's especially absurd to be anti-suicide as death is inescapable, suicide is just the way for one to choose when to leave, it's an escape from suffering rather than a tragic, terrible thing, it's just someone taking control and I think all those beliefs about suicide supposedly being "wrong" are centred around the belief that existence is the most desirable state which it could never be to me.

I think it's always preferable to not exist and I see death as being the only relief, but it really is all we are intended for, everything will be lost to death eventually, existence is impermanent and it's like many people forget that. I could never see a point to existing here, slowly decaying from age and suffering more in the process so unnecessarily, wanting to take control over the inevitable will always make sense to me.

 

[SilentSadness]

The state of death is neutral, so it could never be negative unless the state of living was dramatically better. Of course, it's not, and it's full of horrific suffering which is always invalidated. The idea that suicide is morally wrong is an ancient belief that isn't consistent with any other contemporary views.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

suicide is just the way for one to choose when to leave, it's an escape from suffering rather than a tragic, terrible thing, it's just someone taking control

That's exactly on the point and the anti-suicide society doesn't want to accept these facts.

 

[Darkover]

the ideal state is preferable non existence when compared to my lifetime here

 

[Daxter_87]

And we need to be careful not to fall for this stupid trap ourselves. The worst mistake a person can make is being arrogant enough to think that they can't be brainwashed with this bullshit.

Some people are really aware when young (for example, when they are teenagers), but then they get brutally brainwashed by everyone around them and they become a "normal" person.

 

[Dmoore3232]

What if the brain chemistry is creating depression and thus the person is sick?

 

[blacksand]

even saying "commited suicide" is becoming a non allowed term. Apparently it glamorizes it and youre meant to say "completed suicide"

 

[Hollowman]

What if the brain chemistry is creating depression and thus the person is sick?

What if the chemical imbalance theory is bs? It was never proven.

 

[bodyelectric]

suicide is the ultimate exercise of freedom. When we recognize our right to die we're not slaves anymore in this world, government, companies, work slaves. And through CTB we are only doing what we judge is the best for us. pro-lifers are garbage.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Don't expect the stigma surrounding suicide to end any time soon. As long as there is religion in this world, and those who wish to force their beliefs on others, suicide, and any other "anti-religious", objectionable belief, will remain taboo and verboten.

 

[FormerlyFe(IV)]

The fact that the whole topic is widely censored is so stupid. Even Disney films help kids learn about parents dying and shit. Why can't we talk about other forms of death?

As long as there is religion in this world, and those who wish to force their beliefs on others

We gotta bring old religions that sacrificed, man. Killing me to please a dumb god at least makes more people happy than just a lonely dead body on a couch.

 

[Weeb]

What if the brain chemistry is creating depression and thus the person is sick?

Aren't all our emotions a result of chemical reactions? Depression could just be a part of who the person is. Becides it was only labeled based on subjectivity on what is normal and healthy behavior in society. In another hypothetical society a depressed state might be normal. Depends on a person perspective. This is all my own personal opinion and I do believe our mental illnesses can be subjective but please feel free to correct me.

 

[FormerlyFe(IV)]

Aren't all our emotions a result of chemical reactions? Depression could just be a part of who the person is. Becides it was only labeled based on subjectivity on what is normal and healthy behavior in society. In another hypothetical society a depressed state might be normal. Depends on a person perspective. This is all my own personal opinion and I do believe our mental illnesses can be subjective but please feel free to correct me.

Not to be crude, but, depression killed my sex drive. I feel like my genitals just stopped working. There's definitely a social component to it but it's not all relative.
If I can't even procreate and pass on my genes, I failed evolution. That can't be right. Unless humanity is on a downward hill.
Okay you know what, maybe we are. Everyone is depressed. Floppy dicks and dry vaginas be our fall.

 

[Misfit72]

even saying "committed suicide" is becoming a non allowed term. Apparently it glamorizes it and youre meant to say "completed suicide"

It's because 'commit' is associated with crime or sin, even though you can commit an error.

As for 'completed' suicide, that's even more asinine than 'die by' suicide. Some people say you shouldn't say 'commit' suicide because you don't 'commit' cancer, but do you 'die by' cancer?

Personally, I think we need to ditch the Latin-derived term 'suicide' and go with something much more to the point, 'self-killing' - the German word Selbstmord literally means 'self-murder'. It'd take care of the problem of what verb to use with it.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Not to be crude, but, depression killed my sex drive. I feel like my genitals just stopped working. There's definitely a social component to it but it's not all relative.
If I can't even procreate and pass on my genes, I failed evolution. That can't be right. Unless humanity is on a downward hill.
Okay you know what, maybe we are. Everyone is depressed. Floppy dicks and dry vaginas be our fall.

I think it is a curious thing that so many people now are defying our 'natural' evolutionary traits and making the CHOICE not to have children- whether they are depressed or not- plus, CHOOSING to end their lives early. I'd argue that we're not all that 'natural' anymore though. Plus- you do have to wonder if it is something to do with the 'greater good'- this planet can't sustain the amount of us already here. Nature tends to have certain checks and balances to stop a species from taking over. We've managed to evade most of it's impediments but perhaps this is the last stronghold.

Personally, I'm not against the idea that depression can lead to ideation. What causes depression though? In some cases, it hits out of the blue for no apparent reason. I'd assume those cases are rare though. I imagine most people become depressed because of their situation. Many stay that way because they can't entirely pull themselves out of it. So- how much of it is REALLY to do with an 'illness' of the brain and how much is a proportionate response to the lives we lead?

When it comes to sex drive- that's also interesting (but sad for you- I'm sorry.) I want to suggest something but I really hope it won't offend you... When I was younger, I lost a LOT of weight- around 5 stone. I didn't do it in a very unhealthy way- it was over 2 years. Yet still- it was obviously enough to shock my body. My periods stopped for 1-2 years. (It was heaven!) Clearly- my body thought we WERE starving- so it stopped the possibilty of me getting pregnant. (Not that I wanted that.) It knew I wouldn't be able to sustain another life. People who are depressed tend to have very low energy. I believe depression is also a hereditary trait. Plus- will they really be able to give their offspring an optimistic, go-getting mentality? It's cruel to say it but- perhaps nature is also stepping in here because MAYBE the would-be parent (in their current state) MAYBE wouldn't give that child the best chances in life. Of course- I'm not speaking for you or anyone else. Personally though- I've partly chosen not to have children because I don't want them to become like me and I expect- with the combination of nature and nurture- there's a good chance they would do.

The cynical part of me thinks that it tends to be the more sensitive people in life who get so depressed and end up here. Most people here are highly sensitive and compassionate. If many of us choose/ are forced not to procreate and choose to leave early- it has to make you wonder- in the long term- will this earth only be populated by sociopaths, psychopaths and narcisists? I can sort of see it going that way. In which case- I reckon we should be relieved our potential offspring won't have to deal with all that.

 

[MiraiShisen]

The cynical part of me thinks that it tends to be the more sensitive people in life who get so depressed and end up here. Most people here are highly sensitive and compassionate. If many of us choose/ are forced not to procreate and choose to leave early- it has to make you wonder- in the long term- will this earth only be populated by sociopaths, psychopaths and narcisists? I can sort of see it going that way. In which case- I reckon we should be relieved our potential offspring won't have to deal with all that.

This is exactly how this world operarte, only strong and curel will survive and being psychopath or narcisist is actually advantage when we think about survival. Its sad that there is no place for real good in this world, I am disapointed and sad because of that, why it has to work way it works ? Could not there by any other better way for life to adapt not just by killing others and be actually in touch with raw instinct? Is this best nature can do? Well this sucks and I am speaking from perspective of most privileged animal of this world - human. We actually dont need to bother of predators that can kill us every second of the day, dont have to fight for food or water ( I know I know thre are this places but generally we are living easy mode and yet its fucked up world even for us... we are dying in illnessess, killing each other from whatever stupid reasons - religion, land, envy etc.. we are making this world even worse for others animals, polluting and destroying natural habitat, like parasits or virus we are. So yeah.... life is tough its not ment to be enjoyable at least not for 99 % of all species and when we think that many of us humans do commit suicide is it actually that better ? I just hate my view of this world , I would like to be naive and idealistic but nah I am just cynical and dead from all I could observe and overcome... even my after life theory is haunting me fuck this I am so confused one because I tried to understand everything and yet here I am just as confused as everybody esle plus with irrational fear build in me that maybe in next fucking life I will be put here against my will to suffer with even worse conditions I am living now that are making me kill myself, what the actual f....

 

[The anhedonic one]

Existence always leads to suffering in one form or another.
Non existence equates to zero suffering.

This is exactly how this world operarte, only strong and curel will survive and being psychopath or narcisist is actually advantage when we think about survival. Its sad that there is no place for real good in this world, I am disapointed and sad because of that, why it has to work way it works ? Could not there by any other better way for life to adapt not just by killing others and be actually in touch with raw instinct? Is this best nature can do? Well this sucks and I am speaking from perspective of most privileged animal of this world - human. We actually dont need to bother of predators that can kill us every second of the day, dont have to fight for food or water ( I know I know thre are this places but generally we are living easy mode and yet its fucked up world even for us... we are dying in illnessess, killing each other from whatever stupid reasons - religion, land, envy etc.. we are making this world even worse for others animals, polluting and destroying natural habitat, like parasits or virus we are. So yeah.... life is tough its not ment to be enjoyable at least not for 99 % of all species and when we think that many of us humans do commit suicide is it actually that better ? I just hate my view of this world , I would like to be naive and idealistic but nah I am just cynical and dead from all I could observe and overcome... even my after life theory is haunting me fuck this I am so confused one because I tried to understand everything and yet here I am just as confused as everybody esle plus with irrational fear build in me that maybe in next fucking life I will be put here against my will to suffer with even worse conditions I am living now that are making me kill myself, what the actual f....

Wonderfully stated

 

[Arihman]

What if the brain chemistry is creating depression and thus the person is sick?

How about it being unproven rubbish? https://www.madintheuk.com/2023/02/...ledge-psychiatry-is-a-religion-not-a-science/

 

[Dmoore3232]

How about it being unproven rubbish? https://www.madintheuk.com/2023/02/...ledge-psychiatry-is-a-religion-not-a-science/

Yes I have seen that article I think. There is no evidence saying it is all psychological. Depression is hereditary as well.
Brain chemicals do play a role, you can have inflammation in the brain causing depression. Which I think would play a role in a lot of depression.

 

[Arihman]

The evidence for it being a medical condition is what is needed. And there isn't. Brain chemicals playing a role doesn't mean there is a causation.

Therefore, until it can be proven to be a real sickness (which is what psychiatry claims, so it is their burden of proof), depression is not a sickness, and this claim can't be used to dismiss suicidal people as crazy and in need of medical cures to begin with (which, of course, doesn't entail that they can't get help some other way). Which means that all pro-lifers have left is: "you're deficient and not in your right mind because you don't like life", which is circular logic, and no different than any religious kook saying the same to infidels, and sounds like "your tastebuds are deficient because you dislike X food, and you don't like food X because your tastebuds are deficient".

 

[suicidalloser]

Suicide does not need a reason
its as natural as life itself. there's no reason something that happens so often should be stigmatised.

 

[Dmoore3232]

I don't know what he thinks. He is in the top tier of psychiatry though.

 

[jemetire]

It's because 'commit' is associated with crime or sin, even though you can commit an error.

As for 'completed' suicide, that's even more asinine than 'die by' suicide. Some people say you shouldn't say 'commit' suicide because you don't 'commit' cancer, but do you 'die by' cancer?

Personally, I think we need to ditch the Latin-derived term 'suicide' and go with something much more to the point, 'self-killing' - the German word Selbstmord literally means 'self-murder'. It'd take care of the problem of what verb to use with it.

Suicide (suicidium in Latin) means self-killing from the Latin words 'sui' (yourself) and 'caedere' (to kill) and I know this from my 4 years of latin classes lol. In Dutch we also have a similar word: zelfmoord (self murder), but yeah I prefer to say that I 'choose' suicide.

 

[sayire]

death is inescapable, suicide is just the way for one to choose when to leave, it's an escape from suffering rather than a tragic, terrible thing, it's just someone taking control and I think all those beliefs about suicide supposedly being "wrong" are centred around the belief that existence is the most desirable state which it could never be to me.

Stigma surrounding suicide is just wrong the way it is. It is beyond absurd. I think even people who might have thought about suicide at times in life probably felt that they were just wrong to feel that way.

We live in a world where significant majority of people never had it that bad to the point of suicide entering their thought. Obviously we live as very very tiny minority in the majority for life world. it is natural for the way things are due to this majority / minority.

In any case I do feel this needs to change, death is the most natural thing and there can be valid situations when one should have a willfull and peaceful choice.