After losing all movement and speech after a stroke, young woman graduates medical school.

[Eternal Oblivion]

In short she felt bad one night, had a stroke and lost all movement and speech, but her mind stayed intact. That's the most horrific event I can imagine happening to someone.


She can't even CTB, but apparently she doesn't want to. Why wouldn't she want to CTB? Why go on? Some people have unbeliaveble resiliense.


Life is scary.

Após perder todos os movimentos e a fala em AVC, estudante se forma em Medicina no Paraná

Elaine Luzia dos Santos é a primeira pessoa com tetraplegia a conseguir se graduar no curso no Brasil, segundo a Unioeste.

g1.globo.com

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I guess life is fine otherwise. Everyone has their own threshold.

 

[FuneralCry]

That sounds so awful and unbearable having to go through that. To me it is horrifying that our bodies are capable of torturing us and just the fact that suffering like that exists is enough to make me want to leave. I do not understand how someone could want to live with such a low quality of life. Nothing could ever make me want to live personally, but I guess that we are all different.

 

[its-about-time]

It's this kind of shit that makes me hate myself even more. My life isn't that bad all things considering. I'm relatively healthy physically, I'm a good person kind of, I am financially okay, I have people who love me… I just fucking can't stand my mental health issues and have spent years wanting to be dead instead. I'm not strong like the woman in that article. I'm not resilient. I'm not motivated. I have a tiny stupid little threshold for suffering and it's constantly maxed out. I'm happy for her, but seeing people who suffer more than I do be more successful and happy than me really sort of stings I guess. Reminds me of how pathetic I am.

 

[Eternal Oblivion]

It's this kind of shit that makes me hate myself even more. My life isn't that bad all things considering. I'm relatively healthy physically, I'm a good person kind of, I am financially okay, I have people who love me… I just fucking can't stand my mental health issues and have spent years wanting to be dead instead. I'm not strong like the woman in that article. I'm not resilient. I'm not motivated. I have a tiny stupid little threshold for suffering and it's constantly maxed out. I'm happy for her, but seeing people who suffer more than I do be more successful and happy than me really sort of stings I guess. Reminds me of how pathetic I am.

I sort of feel the same way. I have a much lesser problem them her's and yet I'm quite ready to give up.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

It's this kind of shit that makes me hate myself even more. My life isn't that bad all things considering. I'm relatively healthy physically, I'm a good person kind of, I am financially okay, I have people who love me… I just fucking can't stand my mental health issues and have spent years wanting to be dead instead. I'm not strong like the woman in that article. I'm not resilient. I'm not motivated. I have a tiny stupid little threshold for suffering and it's constantly maxed out. I'm happy for her, but seeing people who suffer more than I do be more successful and happy than me really sort of stings I guess. Reminds me of how pathetic I am.

You're not. We're just not built the same.

 

[thedaywillcome]

In short she felt bad one night, had a stroke and lost all movement and speech, but her mind stayed intact. That's the most horrific event I can imagine happening to someone.


She can't even CTB, but apparently she doesn't want to. Why wouldn't she want to CTB? Why go on? Some people have unbeliaveble resiliense.


Life is scary.

Após perder todos os movimentos e a fala em AVC, estudante se forma em Medicina no Paraná

Elaine Luzia dos Santos é a primeira pessoa com tetraplegia a conseguir se graduar no curso no Brasil, segundo a Unioeste.

g1.globo.com

I am different. Very different. I would ctb 100%

 

[its-about-time]

You're not. We're just not built the same.

I guess. It just sucks. Like a bird born without wings. Or something. Idk.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Well congrats to her. She's strong

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

I don't get it. How was she able to graduate if she couldn't speak and write?

 

[UKscotty]

Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they will get depressed.

I think its unkind to assume all disabled people want to CTB. I know, and have met many who are happy and resilient.

Depression is a terrible illness but not everyone develops it.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Some people live truly astonishing lives and get over terrible hardships. As to why. I guess it varies. Most importantly, they obviously have the belief that things could still be good for them in life which gives them the motivation to make that happen. They could also have an incredibly supportive network around them- a loving family, good healthcare, financial support etc. It's not to knock what they achieve- it's incredible. Inspirational even but- the core difference surely is- they still want to live!

Life's much harder- even if you have everything going for you if you simply don't want to go through it anymore. Maybe not harder than their life in terms of practicality but- it's much easier to do something difficult if you still have the strong desire to do it. Simply getting out of bed in the morning is likely something plenty of us don't even want to do! So- I suppose it's kind of: 'I want to do this- I want to go for a walk today, I want to do some washing, I want to study for my degree, I want to become a doctor but- all these things are going to be so much harder for me now' for them. Whereas for us, perhaps it's more the case: 'I don't want to do any of the things I need to do.' Neither of those things are easy and I certainly wouldn't choose to be ill but, it's quite incredible what a positive, determind attitude can achieve. It's also pretty debilitating in life when you don't have that or, lose it. I guess the really shit thing is when you get hit by both- an illness plus pessimism/cynicism.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't understand why they want to live either as I personally don't want to live but, either way, it doesn't matter. They'll still die for no reason at all in the end like all of us do

 

[rozeske]

She is very strong and admirable actually. Disability can be a cause for wanting to ctb but disability isn't an automatic suicidality.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they will get depressed.

I think its unkind to assume all disabled people want to CTB. I know, and have met many who are happy and resilient.

Depression is a terrible illness but not everyone develops it.

It's also unkind to assume all people that want to ctb are depressed.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

Does she communicate with others in any way? Does she have computer-brain interface? I am trying to imagine her situation but there is no enough details. If she really lost all movement, that means that she even cannot blink her eye. Is it the case?

 

[UKscotty]

It's also unkind to assume all people that want to ctb are depressed.

Being suicidal is the definition of depression though. So they are pretty much one and the same.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Being suicidal is the definition of depression though. So they are pretty much one and the same.

That's incorrect. They're closely linked, but not one and the same.

It is possible to be suicidal without being depressed, and vice-versa.

 

[AshersGirl]

For everyone feeling bad because you think your problems pale in comparison: don't.

Trauma is trauma, pain is pain, and each individual has their own threshold as well as their own trauma responses / processes.

Also, what's traumatic to me might not seem traumatic to you, and vice versa.

If you're in pain, it doesn't matter if someone else objectively has it worse: your feelings are valid. You're the one feeling them. We're all wired differently as to what motivates us, what makes life worth living (or not).

 

[UKscotty]

That's incorrect. They're closely linked, but not one and the same.

It is possible to be suicidal without being depressed, and vice-versa.

I have never had good mental health so I don't think I could ever get my head around the concept of a healthy mind wanting to ctb. I guess it can happen. Even then I don't see how they could be healthy. Like catch 22

 

[strangelife]

I don't understand how a person can live in such a state, what is the meaning of living in such a state, I would 100% go to assisted death in her place. I'm not in such a bad neurological condition, but I'm already planning ctb.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I have never had good mental health so I don't think I could ever get my head around the concept of a healthy mind wanting to ctb. I guess it can happen. Even then I don't see how they could be healthy. Like catch 22

Yeah, obviously in your case they are intrinsically linked. When your depression gets worse, its likely your suicidal thoughts get stronger... so I guess it's understandable that you would see them as being one and the same from your perspective.

Also, if you're still hoping to beat the depression, then ctb might not be something that you look at in a very peaceful or accepting manner. It's a last resort if you fail to win your battle. Where as, some people actually see ctb as the preferable option and a better alternative to a life they perhaps don't value or growing old etc which they find to be a horrible prospect.

Personally, when I'm in a good mood, I very often have strong suicidal thoughts and I actually feel pretty good about the idea of everything being over. I am quite cynical about life, but I don't hate everything about it. I just think this life is imperfect (to put it mildly lol) and I have accepted this... I have also accepted that we are all supposed to die. There is no conflict in my brain about trying to avoid death or keep it at bay for as long as possible.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Disability doesn't necessarily mean someone gives up on their lives.

 

[LastFlowers]

I never take this sort of story at face value.
There's a lot more going on that we don't see and that certain biases supported by the status quo don't permit us to see.
(Also, someone like that is no doubt dependent upon others in ways that invite manipulation and false presentation.)
Just keep that in mind when it comes to such headlines or similar narratives.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I never take this sort of story at face value.
There's a lot more going on that we don't see and that certain biases supported by the status quo don't permit us to see.
(Also, someone like that is no doubt dependent upon others in ways that invite manipulation and false presentation.)
Just keep that in mind when it comes to such headlines or similar narratives.

I don't see how this is possible either because in most countries anyone with substantial long term health conditions is barred from medical study. Those with disabilities are shunned and often bullied out of programmes if they do manage to pass the stringent criteria, and I have heard of someone having to quit medicine due to arthritis. A very common disability, and yet the managers and course leads were unable to accommodate it/refused to make simple changes that would have allowed the student to continue.

In one of my lines of work, as well as my experience in academia, I have seen medical students get called out for "fitness to practice" for having anxiety disorders, of all things. There is no way, in the majority of countries, that they would allow a person with paralysis and complete mutism, to attend medical school or practice medicine. You wouldn't be able to do the vast majority of clinical skills tutorials without functioning fine muscle control, much less placements in a surgical theatre or emergency settings where verbal communication is required.

The medical industry and it's ivory towers of bureaucracy are extremely ableist and inflexible at their core, they do not want sick or disabled people joining the profession unless they are completely functional savants. Multiple people I've met in my life who studied medicine will tell you how cutthroat and unaccommodating it is. Unless it was fully online and the girl did not complete any actual clinical placements yet, I really cannot see how this would be a true story.

 

[untothedepths]

While I wouldn't say her struggles are easily if I had to make the most obvious guess, it's because she has one hell of a support group. If she was totally alone it would be a much different story.

 

[strangelife]

While I wouldn't say her struggles are easily if I had to make the most obvious guess, it's because she has one hell of a support group. If she was totally alone it would be a much different story.

I think she wants to die 100%, but it's a kind of commercial of medical care and support in which she is involved. There are some quadriplegic who live not bad, but all of them are thinking about exit.

 

[Erick]

In short she felt bad one night, had a stroke and lost all movement and speech, but her mind stayed intact. That's the most horrific event I can imagine happening to someone.


She can't even CTB, but apparently she doesn't want to. Why wouldn't she want to CTB? Why go on? Some people have unbeliaveble resiliense.


Life is scary.

Após perder todos os movimentos e a fala em AVC, estudante se forma em Medicina no Paraná

Elaine Luzia dos Santos é a primeira pessoa com tetraplegia a conseguir se graduar no curso no Brasil, segundo a Unioeste.

g1.globo.com

She can move her head and mouth, but lost the movement of the rest of her body.
I think she doesn't want to die because she can still live her dream in a way. Her dream was to become a doctor and she can do it even in this situation. If she wasn't able to do that, I think she would prefer to die.
There's also that girl who lost her face, got blind, lost her hands after being attacked by that chimp, and she still lives to this day. More than 10 years living like that. She got 4 million from the government to be able to live her life. I don't understand why she doesn't use this money to apply for an euthanasia in Swiss. Hard to believe that she would be rejected.

I think she wants to die 100%, but it's a kind of commercial of medical care and support in which she is involved. There are some quadriplegic who live not bad, but all of them are thinking about exit.

That's true. Most people in her situation would rather die, but pro life people ignore them, and just show this minotiry like her that can still find some happiness. I wonder for how long though.
It's almost impossible not to want to die living like her, specially after 50

 

[LastFlowers]

I think she wants to die 100%, but it's a kind of commercial of medical care and support in which she is involved. There are some quadriplegic who live not bad, but all of them are thinking about exit.

A lot of these suffering individuals become mouthpieces or symbols for the pro-life crowd, especially if they end up woefully incapacitated, unable to protest.
For the longest time the news has had no qualms about presenting "blood and guts" stories, yet suicide has become a no-no.
(Christine Chubbuck's own statement and the contrast between her reporting and the censorship of her death..is too perfect of an example.)
Anti-suicide "positivity" is pervasive and will obfuscate even the most abject of horrors that someone is living.
When tailored for public consumption..there is almost always a "but on the bright side.." and "the strength of the human spirit" comment ready to be made..looming over reality like a bird of prey, ready to swoop in when things get too honest and stark.

This combined with what @KuriGohan&Kamehameha outlined makes this specific story suspect.
Though there are many like it, give or take an angle or two.

 

[divinemistress36]

I'm lucky I got movement and being able to eat back after my stroke. But other than that the emotional and cognitive issues. Strokes are absolutely devastating