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Sensei

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Every now and then a question about masking suicides as accidents or natural deaths seems to pop up. There are many reasons one might want that, e.g. to lessen the guilt and social stigma for family and friends, or to make sure that life insurance will be paid out to survivors. I thought we could share possible methods here. I'll share some I can think of and hopefully others will add to the list.


Accidents


Opioid overdose:
So common nowadays that no one would raise an eyebrow. Junkie behaviour needs to be displayed one way or another prior to the deed.

Alcohol + benzodiazepines overdose: Also quite common nowadays. Again, junkie behaviour needs to be displayed one way or another prior to the deed.

Alcohol + snowfall: Will most probably not raise any suspicion. Yet another drunk has underestimated the dangers of cold weather and succumbed to hypothermia.

Alcohol + bathtub: Drown while you're drunk. Happens every now and then, but it's probably an unreliable method.

Femoral artery puncture: An unfortunate accident in the kitchen. Requires high precision, though. Two stabs will obviously rule out the possibility of an accident.

Car accident: Seems to be very effective, because no one can even guess what the accident/suicide rate is. High risk of survival and severe disability, though.

House fire: Cover a radiator and die in your sleep or similar. Requires owning or renting a detached house to minimize the risk of collateral damage.

Gun cleaning: Will most definitely arouse suspicion but could perhaps work under the right circumstances.

Fall from height: Might of course arouse suspicion, but people have fallen to their death while jumping between rocks in Grand Canyon or taking daring selfies on skyscraper roofs.

Scuba diving: Sabotage of equipment, lethal mixture in tank, or rising too fast to the surface. Probably an agonizing death.

Remote hiking: If it takes long enough for the body to be found, traces of poisons or drugs will no longer be detectable, given that they have been chosen wisely.

Eating poisonous plants: A destiny that sometimes befalls hikers, although it's less common than one might think. A slow and painful death in most, if not all cases.

Gun + helium balloon: The idea is that the weapon will be carried away after the deed. Complex method that easily can go wrong, though.



Natural deaths


Aconitine:
Can't be detected with normal screening methods, only gas chromatography–mass spectrometry. An agonising and painful death.

Pong Pong seeds: Can't be detected with normal screenings methods. Usually assumed to be a heart attack, despite atypical symptoms. An agonising and painful death.

2M2B: Can't be detected with normal screening methods, only gas chromatography–mass spectrometry.

Suxamethonium chloride: Evidently almost impossible to detect. Must be injected. A painful death through paralysis and asphyxiation.

Potassium chloride: Evidently almost impossible to detect. Not a peaceful death, but probably not outright agonizing either.

Nitrogen gas: Can reportedly not be detected with any screening methods. Requires an assistant who's willing to remove the necessary equipment after death.
 
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Great compilation, very concise
 
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Good list @Sensei and a lot of these methods make a lot of sense. It seems like out of all of these, there are probably only a few methods I would go with, mainly to avoid pain, discomfort, and what not. Out of all the methods listed, I'd probably go with:

1) Alcohol with snowfall - death via hypothermia.
2) Falling from a height - death via blunt trauma.
3) Nitrogen gas - death via hypoxia and oxygen deprivation.

Nitrogen gas seems to be one of the most reliable and peaceful ways to go, and I think if there was a way to rig it up like you are doing cryogenics then it could pass as an accident. The only problem is logistics like you mentioned (both in moving about such a heavy object - the compressed Nitrogen gas tank).
 
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Sensei

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Good list @Sensei and a lot of these methods make a lot of sense. It seems like out of all of these, there are probably only a few methods I would go with, mainly to avoid pain, discomfort, and what not.

Same here. I reasoned that reliability and feasability are of secondary importance when compiling a list like this one. I'd be prepared to use three of these methods: alcohol + snowfall, femoral artery puncture, and 2M2B.
 
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mr parkinson

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a few years ago a window cleaner near me in uk. accidentally fell off his ladder and drowned in his bucket of water , now whats the odds on that . I don't recommend trying this method , probably miss the bucket . on a more serious note I have thought about alcohol and snowfall .
 
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Brick In The Wall

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None of these seem peaceful or appealing to me honestly. Except maybe the opioid OD. But I suppose as with anything there's a balance in life. If one wants it to appear to be accidental they must be willing to pay the price in pain or unpredictability.

I find myself thinking about this sort of thing alot. Maybe I can come up with a few if even just for fun.

Skydiving: Must do enough cursory jumps to get to the point of solo jumping. Skydivers are taught to pack their own chutes. One could purposely pack the chute incorrectly.

Cliff Diving: Go to a popular cliff diving site and wear the appropriate attire. Leave a few towels with your wallet and aim for the rocks.
 
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Jean4

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Or eating my cooking. :blarg:. Good job my @Sensei :heart:
 
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Carina

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Great list @Sensei !

Granted not something I'd do given most seem unplesant (not my thing), or need things that I don't care to make people think before it seems legitimate (like some OD methods needing prior use/etc).
 
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None of these seem peaceful or appealing to me honestly.

Depends. I'd claim that alcohol + snowfall and 2M2B are among the most peaceful methods you can find. Femoral artery puncture is obviously painful, but only for a couple of seconds, and you will die very quickly if the stab is properly executed.
 
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Depends. I'd claim that alcohol + snowfall and 2M2B are among the most peaceful methods you can find. Femoral artery puncture is obviously painful, but only for a couple of seconds, and you will die very quickly if the stab is properly executed.

I've seen the alcohol and hypothermia one happen IRL a couple of times and it didn't look peaceful either time. Never heard of the 2M2B one so I looked up. Still not familiar with 2M2B to say either way how I feel about it.
 
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I've seen the alcohol and hypothermia one happen IRL a couple of times and it didn't look peaceful either time. Never heard of the 2M2B one so I looked up. Still not familiar with 2M2B to say either way how I feel about it.

Admittedly, I've never seen a death due to alcohol and hypothermia. Still, I would assume that it's a quite peaceful death, given that you are heavily sedated by some kind of alcohol, which doesn't necessarily have to be ethanol. For what it's worth, 2M2B is my method of choice.
 
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BPD Barbie

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Gun + helium balloon: The idea is that the weapon will be carried away after the deed. Complex method that easily can go wrong, though.
I just know I'd mess it up and my head would float off in the balloon only to land in some poor families garden lol.
 
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In the social media world we live in you can basically do any dangerous dumb shit, and just film yourself doing it. Call it the "XYZ challenge" and it'll be deemed a tragic accident. As a bonus, you'll likely be nominated for the Darwin Award. Win-win. :wink:

Here's one that causes instantaneous death: Launch a Roman Candle (firework) off your head. Some drunk college kid died that way a few years back. His skull just caved in and he was gone in an instant.
 
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Poisonous snake bite: Extremely painful and agonizingly slow via most species. The black mamba kills (w/ multiple bites) humans the fastest at 20-30 minutes.
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Here's one that causes instantaneous death: Launch a Roman Candle (firework) off your head. Some drunk college kid died that way a few years back. His skull just caved in and he was gone in an instant.

 
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AlreadyGone

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Nice write up, but alot of those methods does not seem peaceful or reliable for me.
 
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Sensei

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Nice write up, but alot of those methods does not seem peaceful or reliable for me.

Most of them are definitely not peaceful and/or reliable, That's not the point with this thread, though.
 
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Electrocution could be added to "Accidents".

Hypothermia has been my preferred method, but after doing some research, I am finding myself less inclined to chose it.
 
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Every now and then a question about masking suicides as accidents or natural deaths seems to pop up. There are many reasons one might want that, e.g. to lessen the guilt and social stigma for family and friends, or to make sure that life insurance will be paid out to survivors. I thought we could share possible methods here. I'll share some I can think of and hopefully others will add to the list.


Accidents


Opioid overdose:
So common nowadays that no one would raise an eyebrow. Junkie behaviour needs to be displayed one way or another prior to the deed.

Alcohol + benzodiazepines overdose: Also quite common nowadays. Again, junkie behaviour needs to be displayed one way or another prior to the deed.

Alcohol + snowfall: Will most probably not raise any suspicion. Yet another drunk has underestimated the dangers of cold weather and succumbed to hypothermia.

Alcohol + bathtub: Drown while you're drunk. Happens every now and then, but it's probably an unreliable method.

Femoral artery puncture: An unfortunate accident in the kitchen. Requires high precision, though. Two stabs will obviously rule out the possibility of an accident.

Car accident: Seems to be very effective, because no one can even guess what the accident/suicide rate is. High risk of survival and severe disability, though.

House fire: Cover a radiator and die in your sleep or similar. Requires owning or renting a detached house to minimize the risk of collateral damage.

Gun cleaning: Will most definitely arouse suspicion but could perhaps work under the right circumstances.

Fall from height: Might of course arouse suspicion, but people have fallen to their death while jumping between rocks in Grand Canyon or taking daring selfies on skyscraper roofs.

Scuba diving: Sabotage of equipment, lethal mixture in tank, or rising too fast to the surface. Probably an agonizing death.

Remote hiking: If it takes long enough for the body to be found, traces of poisons or drugs will no longer be detectable, given that they have been chosen wisely.

Eating poisonous plants: A destiny that sometimes befalls hikers, although it's less common than one might think. A slow and painful death in most, if not all cases.

Gun + helium balloon: The idea is that the weapon will be carried away after the deed. Complex method that easily can go wrong, though.



Natural deaths


Aconitine:
Can't be detected with normal screening methods, only gas chromatography–mass spectrometry. An agonising and painful death.

Pong Pong seeds: Can't be detected with normal screenings methods. Usually assumed to be a heart attack, despite atypical symptoms. An agonising and painful death.

2M2B: Can't be detected with normal screening methods, only gas chromatography–mass spectrometry.

Suxamethonium chloride: Evidently almost impossible to detect. Must be injected. A painful death through paralysis and asphyxiation.

Potassium chloride: Evidently almost impossible to detect. Not a peaceful death, but probably not outright agonizing either.

Nitrogen gas: Can reportedly not be detected with any screening methods. Requires an assistant who's willing to remove the necessary equipment after death.

There are articles of how deaths are determined by investigators. I read that in Europe for example every car accident is determined as accident if the deceased didn't leave a goodbye note.
 
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Y78

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hypothermia is worst way to go
you freezing for hours you loose sense you not faint its horrible
 
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hypothermia is worst way to go
you freezing for hours you loose sense you not faint its horrible

As stated above, whether a method is feasible or painless or not is not really the point here. Having said that, 2M2B could be used to make this method more or less painless.
 
one4all

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Or eating my cooking. :blarg:. Good job my @Sensei :heart:

You have mentioned your cooking before LOL.
It can't be that bad as you are still here. Umm unless you don't eat your own cooking. :tongue:
 
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Jean4

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You have mentioned your cooking before LOL.
It can't be that bad as you are still here. Umm unless you don't eat your own cooking. :tongue:
I had Bariatric Surgery. Luckily I don't cook for myself. ;)
 
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I had Bariatric Surgery. Luckily I don't cook for myself. ;)
Well i haven't killed anyone yet with my cooking.
Now i am very intrigued about your comments about your cooking?
Who do you cook for or is something you use to do in the past?
 
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Well i haven't killed anyone yet with my cooking.
Now i am very intrigued about your comments about your cooking?
Who do you cook for or is something you use to do in the past?
I don't cook. I burn... and have started many fires lol
 
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I don't cook. I burn... and have started many fires lol

Could that go under the C)2 methods? I am very sorry if that is to DARK of a humor, and will delete the comment if need be.
 
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Is 2M2B painful?
 
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I can't believe autoerotic asphyxiation is not on the list lol
 
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Is 2M2B painful?

It's simply a very strong alcohol, about 20 times stronger than regular spirits, and has been used as an anesthetic in the past, so the answer is no.
 

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