Help A question about SN

[Exiled spirit]

My SN is in a sealed container. If I opened the container for a couple of minutes and closed it again, would that reduce SN shelf life?

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Trust me, If the actual companies that manufacture SN were that concerned about exposure to air being that much of a problem to maintain the chemical purity then it would've been noted as a condition to avoid on the Safety Data Sheet for SN alongside moisture, I mean think about it, during the manufacturing process itself, the SN is exposed to air to some degree even before it reaches suppliers to be sold so what's you opening it just once to test it and seal it back up going to do to harm its purity, there are standards in place to make sure chemicals like SN maintain its high purity for analytical purposes for a long time otherwise why should any lab buy sn for whatever purpose they intend to use it for even acquire it, nevermind some of us who intend to use it for ctb so just take a breather and relax ok, and this goes for anyone concerned about their sn going bad after having being opened once or a few times with very limited exposure to air with a lot of moisture unless you mishandled it.

to add to this, SN is not inherently known for absorbing moisture. However, its hygroscopicity, or ability to absorb moisture, can depend on various factors such as purity and storage conditions. In general, it's less hygroscopic compared to some other substances, but exposure to humid air over time may lead to some absorption of moisture. It needs exposure to humid air in order to be at great risk of degradation, not normal room temperature air.

This is taken from the response I gave to another thread about sn exposure to air. Please remember this is a manufacturered chemical meant to reach certain standards needed for analytical purposes so just opening it and exposing to air will not harm at all really especially if it's for a short period of time.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

Trust me, If the actual companies that manufacture SN were that concerned about exposure to air being that much of a problem to maintain the chemical purity then it would've been noted as a condition to avoid on the Safety Data Sheet for SN alongside moisture, I mean think about it, during the manufacturing process itself, the SN is exposed to air to some degree even before it reaches suppliers to be sold so what's you opening it just once to test it and seal it back up going to do to harm its purity, there are standards in place to make sure chemicals like SN maintain its high purity for analytical purposes for a long time otherwise why should any lab buy sn for whatever purpose they intend to use it for even acquire it, nevermind some of us who intend to use it for ctb so just take a breather and relax ok, and this goes for anyone concerned about their sn going bad after having being opened once or a few times with very limited exposure to air with a lot of moisture unless you mishandled it.

to add to this, SN is not inherently known for absorbing moisture. However, its hygroscopicity, or ability to absorb moisture, can depend on various factors such as purity and storage conditions. In general, it's less hygroscopic compared to some other substances, but exposure to humid air over time may lead to some absorption of moisture. It needs exposure to humid air in order to be at great risk of degradation, not normal room temperature air.

This is taken from the response I gave to another thread about sn exposure to air. Please remember this is a manufacturered chemical meant to reach certain standards needed for analytical purposes so just opening it and exposing to air will not harm at all really especially if it's for a short period of time.

This.

I keep seeing people so concerned about oxidation but it's honestly pretty insignificant

I've been storing far more unstable chemicals (LSD, DMT, psilocybin) for years. The vast majority of chemicals if stored in a sealed airtight container away from prolonged light or heat exposure will lose an insignificant (I would guess less than 5%) of its potency over a lifetime.

SN will only degrade if you leave it out in open air for extended periods.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

This.

I keep seeing people so concerned about oxidation but it's honestly pretty insignificant

I've been storing far more unstable chemicals (LSD, DMT, psilocybin) for years. The vast majority of chemicals if stored in a sealed airtight container away from prolonged light or heat exposure will lose an insignificant (I would guess less than 5%) of its potency over a lifetime.

SN will only degrade if you leave it out in open air for extended periods.

Thank you. I've seen this oxidation question answered multiple times throughout different threads I've come across and yet as much as I understand perfectly are paranoid about the slightest going wrong when it comes to ctb, you don't need to overly complicate things, its something uou really do not need to place a burden on yourself to think about. The instructions to keep SN are basic and not difficult at all, you've kept far more unstable chemicals which shows you that in comparison to sn, it's truly nothing to worry about unless you abuse the sn by keep it open for long periods of time and frequently opening and closing the bottle. Just don't purposefully abuse it or leave it within close proximity of a highly humid area or sources of heat and ignition since SN has an endothermic reaction which means it absorbs heat energy around it.

I think my comment should suffice as answer to kill off the question of oxidation but I don't know.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

I think my comment should suffice as answer to kill off the question of oxidation but I don't know.

Definitely.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Definitely.

Thank you, hopefully who have ever has the same concern is now not worried anymore. The thing that got me was a user by the name Clown_17, he thought his SN wouldn't work since he opened it and believed it was useless but from what he shared from his SN experience, it actually almost worked and this was a user who has expressed that he's opened his opened his sn a few times. That also demonstrated to me that people were getting too worried about sn being oxidized with the slightest contact when it comes to air

I opened it a few times, I don't remember why though. I also took the SN I used out of the container I got it in and put a portion in a smaller container, the portion which I took.

I didn't ever leave it open for more than a few minutes. I bought the SN in the summer of 2020 and took it in December of 2021

A few things. For one I have bpd and am very impulsive. When I took the SN I was fully set on being dead but my mood changed and reality sunk in and so that might of been an unconscious reason why I called an ambulance which so the reason why I survived.
Consciously though the reason I called an ambulance was because I was convinced my SN was expired and that it wasn't enough to kill me. I assumed I should get an ambulance to prevent any permanent damage since I wouldn't die anyways.

I was surprised to wake up the next day I ICU, being told I had taken enough to die and that I barely survived.

Anyways the main reason I lived is because I called an ambulance soon after, and also because I didn't have alot of SN to begin with.

 

[LastFlowers]

This.

I keep seeing people so concerned about oxidation but it's honestly pretty insignificant

I've been storing far more unstable chemicals (LSD, DMT, psilocybin) for years. The vast majority of chemicals if stored in a sealed airtight container away from prolonged light or heat exposure will lose an insignificant (I would guess less than 5%) of its potency over a lifetime.

SN will only degrade if you leave it out in open air for extended periods.

Do you know if SN is still useful to ctb after 3 years? (This is the shelf life I've seen asserted.)

 

[KSZ]

Do you know if SN is still useful to ctb after 3 years? (This is the shelf life I've seen asserted.)

I mean, you can test it.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

I mean, you can test it.

Yep, I'd test it after 3 years.

It's probably not that it won't work after 3 years but this is the point where you will start seeing a more rapid loss in purity.

I'd bet that stored in the right conditions it would last more than a decade with minimal potency loss but I'm just postulating.

 

[gbi2]

Although I'm no expert, when I worked in Big Pharma, there were specific time periods that product could be left 'inbetween' stages for before it was cosnidered to no longer be suitable for the next stage. Now although this wasn't always due to exposure to air or because of complete degredation, it is still an indication of how much of a concern it is that substances can degrade either when mixed, or unmixed, and when compressed into a tablet, before and after being coated.

I can't remember the exact durations but, between wet/dry granulation and compression, and between compression and coating, or between granulation and capsulation, there were at least 7 days before the product at that stage would have to be subjected to testing again to determine if it was still ok to go to the next stage. Some products were as much as month. Now although they weren't stored in complete open air the containers weren't only just big enough to fit the product in, they ahd a lot of space, it still does show that there is a lot of time before something degrades just to a point of not being sticky enough anymore to make a pill, let alone the potency degrading too.

Also once the product was manufactured but not yet packed. They had one month to pack it into the blisters or pots or whatever. If that month expired, the product was just tested by QC again to see if it was still ok. This wasn't a regular occurance but did happen enough times and I don't remember many instances where retesting failed.

Some batches were made a year in advance of packing, I think some even two years. They would produce them so far in advance just in case something got in the way (like Brexit, Covid). Again, they would be in containers once compressed but only controlled substances would be kept in special conditions, otherwise it was just a warehouse.

I'm obviously not providing any facts and figures here but it is surprising how long the stuff is held for after making. I kind of wish I learned more about the raw material shelf life but it was outside of the scope of my role and unfortunately my mental health problems I suffered from bullying there have caused me to forget the interesting stuff but remember all the bad stuff.

 

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I wouldn't open it until the moment I need it to ctb. Why would you want to open it?