a big reason why i'm suicidal, i literally have 0 dollars in my bank account. my "bank" isn't even considered a real bank by most online retailers.

[TakeMeToHeaven]

entirely dependent on others to live

i don't know where my next plate of food will come from

 

[Hunterer]

I totally understand you. My life is like that too. I see people my age and even younger than me being more responsible and more skilled, being able to balance their study routine with their work routine, and then, later, I compare myself to these people and realize how pathetic I am. I missed out on opportunities because of my own fault, I have no money and I am totally dependent on my family, who also don't have that much money.

I guess I could add poverty to my list of reasons for ctb.

 

[Hotsackage]

Really sucks wen u want to do something and u can't. I'm sorry

 

[needthebus]

so sorry life is hard right now, i wish there weren't evil assholes in this world who made society this way

 

[Esokabat]

I think sometimes our brain wants concrete reasons why we want to CTB.
It is hard to accept that the main reason for CTB is either depression or pain, or both.
If lack of money would be a primary reason to CTB, half the world would CTB. I mean have you seen how people live in Africa, parts of Latin America, India, rest of Asia, the coffin homes of Hong Kong, the constant starvation and death from starvation in parts of Africa. There is a very big part of the world is dirt poor.
If poverty would be enough to want to CTB, people would be CTB-ing in these countries left and right.
The main cause therefore has to be depression, as opposed to poverty.
And depression will make our brain to conjure up reasons why we want to ctb, other than depression. And believe me, the brain is very good at making up justifications.
A friend of mine recently CTB-ed, he left a note saying that his girlfriend left him, his business failed, and he has nothing.
And he could not face the fact that he is trying to CTB due to depression, and not due to gf breakup and failed business.
First, he was only with his gf for like 2 months and it was an extremely dysfunctional relationship, second, he had several thousand dollars in the bank and third, he had a skillset that was there to make more money in a full time job.
He became so obsessed with the above reasons to CTB that I could not convince him that these are not the real reasons. The real reason was depression.
I totally understand that not having money must be extremely difficult. But I had the fortune to travel globally and I have seen how people in different part of the world lives. Extreme poverty.
So I think the main cause is not poverty.
I think the main cause is depression. And our brain will find the reasons and justifications and make us believe that those external factors are the reason.
And depression will make people make bad decisions, takes away the energy to take steps for improvements, and makes out brain not very sharp so it is harder to find solutions to everydays 's problems.
Do I think that my friend CTB-ed because breakup with gf and losing of business?
No I don't. I think that is the narrative he told himself. That was the narrative his brain conjured up as justification.
Our brains are good at that.
People start over all the time during a lifetime, breakups, divorce, business banckrupcy, home burnt down, tornado, cancer survival.
So I think those were not his real reasons. Real reason was clinical depression.
And being more prone to adult clinical depression due to childhood trauma.
So I think the reason our brain tells us are sometimes just the conjured up justifications of a deeply depressed brain.

 

[Timothy7dff]

What sucks even more is when you bust ass to get your shit together and the deep state bombs your life back to the stone age.

Mtherfckers took $100,000 from me. I'm left with very little money, crushing debt, and the ruins of my recovered life. YEARS of full-time work, full-time school, and massive health gains all wiped out by Nazis.

Evil, evil people. Then, they try to blame me! Like I'm an idiot.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I think sometimes our brain wants concrete reasons why we want to CTB.
It is hard to accept that the main reason for CTB is either depression or pain, or both.
If lack of money would be a primary reason to CTB, half the world would CTB. I mean have you seen how people live in Africa, parts of Latin America, India, rest of Asia, the coffin homes of Hong Kong, the constant starvation and death from starvation in parts of Africa. There is a very big part of the world is dirt poor.
If poverty would be enough to want to CTB, people would be CTB-ing in these countries left and right.
The main cause therefore has to be depression, as opposed to poverty.
And depression will make our brain to conjure up reasons why we want to ctb, other than depression. And believe me, the brain is very good at making up justifications.
A friend of mine recently CTB-ed, he left a note saying that his girlfriend left him, his business failed, and he has nothing.
And he could not face the fact that he is trying to CTB due to depression, and not due to gf breakup and failed business.
First, he was only with his gf for like 2 months and it was an extremely dysfunctional relationship, second, he had several thousand dollars in the bank and third, he had a skillset that was there to make more money in a full time job.
He became so obsessed with the above reasons to CTB that I could not convince him that these are not the real reasons. The real reason was depression.
I totally understand that not having money must be extremely difficult. But I had the fortune to travel globally and I have seen how people in different part of the world lives. Extreme poverty.
So I think the main cause is not poverty.
I think the main cause is depression. And our brain will find the reasons and justifications and make us believe that those external factors are the reason.
And depression will make people make bad decisions, takes away the energy to take steps for improvements, and makes out brain not very sharp so it is harder to find solutions to everydays 's problems.
Do I think that my friend CTB-ed because breakup with gf and losing of business?
No I don't. I think that is the narrative he told himself. That was the narrative his brain conjured up as justification.
Our brains are good at that.
People start over all the time during a lifetime, breakups, divorce, business banckrupcy, home burnt down, tornado, cancer survival.
So I think those were not his real reasons. Real reason was clinical depression.
And being more prone to adult clinical depression due to childhood trauma.
So I think the reason our brain tells us are sometimes just the conjured up justifications of a deeply depressed brain.

The overwhelming tendency is for people in any circumstances to fight like hell for their lives.

Why some people choose to die has been studied but specific unifying identifiers have never been really determined and likely never will.

 

[Esokabat]

The overwhelming tendency is for people in any circumstances to fight like hell for their lives.

Why some people choose to die has been studied but specific unifying identifiers have never been really determined and likely never will.

It might be my autism but when someone refers to studies, I would like the studies to be referenced so I can evaluate them. Some studies are stronger than others, some are even very weak, based on the scientific methodology used, whether peer reviewed or not, so the word studies alone is not convincing to me without seeing what studies we are talking about.
I have interacted with many people and an underlying depression was a constant underlying factor (regardless of the original trigger, such as
Postpartum, chronic pain, personality disorder) except in people who want to CTB due to physical trigger (terminal illness usually, or other extreme physical limitation). I appreciate the insight provided but I cannot consider it seriously without sources.

 

[cryptic mantis]

We do not need to justify why we live or die.
Or anything for that matter.
Individuals make a choice.
Discrediting anyone's reason for this, or trying to push them to the root of your situation, isn't helpful.

 

[Davey36000]

I think sometimes our brain wants concrete reasons why we want to CTB.
It is hard to accept that the main reason for CTB is either depression or pain, or both.
If lack of money would be a primary reason to CTB, half the world would CTB. I mean have you seen how people live in Africa, parts of Latin America, India, rest of Asia, the coffin homes of Hong Kong, the constant starvation and death from starvation in parts of Africa. There is a very big part of the world is dirt poor.
If poverty would be enough to want to CTB, people would be CTB-ing in these countries left and right.
The main cause therefore has to be depression, as opposed to poverty.
And depression will make our brain to conjure up reasons why we want to ctb, other than depression. And believe me, the brain is very good at making up justifications.
A friend of mine recently CTB-ed, he left a note saying that his girlfriend left him, his business failed, and he has nothing.
And he could not face the fact that he is trying to CTB due to depression, and not due to gf breakup and failed business.
First, he was only with his gf for like 2 months and it was an extremely dysfunctional relationship, second, he had several thousand dollars in the bank and third, he had a skillset that was there to make more money in a full time job.
He became so obsessed with the above reasons to CTB that I could not convince him that these are not the real reasons. The real reason was depression.
I totally understand that not having money must be extremely difficult. But I had the fortune to travel globally and I have seen how people in different part of the world lives. Extreme poverty.
So I think the main cause is not poverty.
I think the main cause is depression. And our brain will find the reasons and justifications and make us believe that those external factors are the reason.
And depression will make people make bad decisions, takes away the energy to take steps for improvements, and makes out brain not very sharp so it is harder to find solutions to everydays 's problems.
Do I think that my friend CTB-ed because breakup with gf and losing of business?
No I don't. I think that is the narrative he told himself. That was the narrative his brain conjured up as justification.
Our brains are good at that.
People start over all the time during a lifetime, breakups, divorce, business banckrupcy, home burnt down, tornado, cancer survival.
So I think those were not his real reasons. Real reason was clinical depression.
And being more prone to adult clinical depression due to childhood trauma.
So I think the reason our brain tells us are sometimes just the conjured up justifications of a deeply depressed brain.

What is depression if not the cumulative of negative/painful emotions over a lifetime? Internal conflict and stress as well will deteriorate the brain, hence depression.

 

[Esokabat]

What is depression if not the cumulative of negative/painful emotions over a lifetime? Internal conflict and stress as well will deteriorate the brain, hence depression.

If this would be this simple in all cases, it would not be possible to almost instantly reverse clinical depression by therapeutic ketosis. Sometimes depression is just a very sick brain with energy deficiency at a cellular michocondriac level . I refer to the book Brain Energy. There have been many instances where therapeutic ketosis reversed clinical depression, and also bipolar, schizophrenia, even epilepsy , as it changes how the brain cells manage energy metabolism. The book Brain Energy by dr Chris Palmer. Full reversal with no medication, only changing brain metabolism from glucose to ketone bodies. Including people who had treatment resistant clinical depression for several decades and depression runs in their family.
Let's not simplify things to the point that it becomes not true to reality

 

[Davey36000]

If this would be this simple in all cases, it would not be possible to almost instantly reverse clinical depression by therapeutic ketosis. Sometimes depression is just a very sick brain with energy deficiency at a cellular michocondriac level . I refer to the book Brain Energy. There have been many instances where therapeutic ketosis reversed clinical depression, and also bipolar, schizophrenia, even epilepsy , as it changes how the brain cells manage energy metabolism. The book Brain Energy by dr Chris Palmer. Full reversal with no medication, only changing brain metabolism from glucose to ketone bodies. Including people who had treatment resistant clinical depression for several decades and depression runs in their family.
Let's not simplify things to the point that it becomes not true to reality

I don't think it's a simplification. Our subconscious holds a lot of stuff, and sometimes the negative is hard to get rid off.

All stress fucks the brain and there are a lot of stressors.

Although we are fighting a losing battle. We will never be 100% healthy or happy.
There is too much pollution in our food, air, water (pesticides, microplastics, CO2 excess)...

All of this contributes to damaging the body/brain.

Plus all the other stuff. Maybe if you were a hermit you would be alright.

 

[Heavy Rain]

entirely dependent on others to live

i don't know where my next plate of food will come from

I'm sorry OP
Is there no wellfare system in your country?
(Edit: But yes realize you might already be, and that the pay is just terrible)

 

[Willy Wonka]

The overwhelming tendency is for people in any circumstances to fight like hell for their lives.

Why some people choose to die has been studied but specific unifying identifiers have never been really determined and likely never will.

maybe due to intelligence ?