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I find videos like this incredibly hard to watch but I think it's very important to get stuff like this out there. A lot of people may think calling these parents "monsters" is a little harsh but we must look at the facts. 1. The mother knew that the child had one of the most severe forms of brittle bone disease while In Utero, 2. They ignored the doctors advice to get an abortion. 3. The mother said she wouldn't change a thing. This is despite the fact that the child has broken over 100 bones thus far and things will only get worse as she ages. Nobody seems to get the outrage! The YouTube comment section shows nothing but support for these people. They imposed a horrible fate on a sentient life. To me, these parents are no different that ones who torture and beat their children .
 
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millefeui

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Definitely monsters in my opinion, too. It is already bad enough to give birth to people in this cruel world, and knowing that your child has a terrible disease and still giving birth... I don't know what to say. Sadly, this is actually not that rare. People think they are doing a good thing by giving birth to a person who will have a terrible life. They really think they are somehow doing a positive thing.

Look... When a doctor (who are often against abortion) advises you to have it, you know how serious the disease is.
 
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Jack

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SMH they could have just aborted and had another baby. They could have adopted.
 
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Definitely monsters in my opinion, too. It is already bad enough to give birth to people in this cruel world, and knowing that your child has a terrible disease and still giving birth... I don't know what to say. Sadly, this is actually not that rare. People think they are doing a good thing by giving birth to a person who will have a terrible life. They really think they are somehow doing a positive thing.

Look... When a doctor (who are often against abortion) advises you to have it, you know how serious the disease is.
Exactly.

For the mother to say she wouldn't change is thing is just inexcusable. Shockingly selfish. For the mother to say she wouldn't change Zoey is to say that she approves of her horrible imposition. Approves of her breaking her bones. Approves of child torture.
 
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SMH they could have just aborted and had another baby. They could have adopted.
Exactly! There are around 500,000 children in the U.S. foster care system (including millions globallly). These people could have cleaned up a mess instead of making one. They could have gave someone a forever home.
 
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millefeui

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SMH they could have just aborted and had another baby. They could have adopted.
Adoption is such a great thing. You can potentially change the life of an orphan kid for the better, but most would rather put another life in this extremely overpopulated world. If only people weren't so obsessed with passing down their stupid useless DNA.

If I weren't suicidal... and useless... I would certainly try to give a kid a chance of having a better life.
 
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the world aint even overpopulated. if the dictatorship of the capitalist class could be overthrown billions more people than currently exist could exist at once on this planet sustainably and comfortably. We already produce enough food to feed everyone, most of it is just thrown away because its more 'profitable' to do so. If capitalism were overthrown energy production could be switched over to solar, wind, hydro in a very short period of time. We already have more than enough houses in the united states for everyone to be housed, they're just private property. Animal agriculture could be scaled down some and then all the vegetables being grown to feed the fucking cows could go to feed people.
 
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millefeui

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From my perspective it was already overpopulated when there were about 3~4 billion people.
 
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From my perspective it was already overpopulated when there were about 3~4 billion people.
It was already overpopulated when it was 1 person.
 
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It was already overpopulated when it was 1 person.
I know this isn't remotely close to my main reason for ctb, but reading that makes me feel like I am helping to reduce the population, even if it's just me. Sure there will be another child born (unfortunately) soon after somewhere in the world, but at least I'd get to do my part haha
 
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I know this isn't remotely close to my main reason for ctb, but reading that makes me feel like I am helping to reduce the population, even if it's just me. Sure there will be another child born (unfortunately) soon after somewhere in the world, but at least I'd get to do my part haha
Between the time you started typing your post, and I finish typing this post of mine, numerous kids were born. It is really sad. I mean, I am not saying humans should stop breeding altogether (though it is not such a bad idea), but people pop out far too many kids. Far too many.
 
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Between the time you started typing your post, and I finish typing this post of mine, numerous kids were born. It is really sad. I mean, I am not saying humans should stop breeding altogether (though it is not such a bad idea), but people pop out far too many kids. Far too many.
I'm on the same page @millefeui ...

From my perspective , it has reduced the 'sanctity' of life .

Life is sacred , ( wtf ? Am I on SS ? cringe )

Our rampant reproduction has devalued our existence to a battery farm animal.

It's just not right .
 
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Schopenhauer

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Monsters indeed. I feel bad for this little girl. Seriously, I got tears in my eyes right now. That misery such as this is even possible boggles my mind.

If God exists, it would be morally right to destroy It.

And these monstrous parents are patting themselves in the back, thinking they're such brave people. Disgusting.

Regarding the world population, it should have stabilized at 1-2 billion. There's too many people burdening this planet. We're creating a hell to ourselves, and a holocaust for all other species.
 
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Monsters indeed. I feel bad for this little girl. Seriously, I got tears in my eyes right now. That misery such as this is even possible boggles my mind.

If God exists, it would be morally right to destroy It.

And these monstrous parents are patting themselves in the back, thinking they're such brave people. Disgusting.

Regarding the world population, it should have stabilized at 1-2 billion. There's too many people burdening this planet. We're creating a hell to ourselves, and a holocaust for all other species.
I remember when I first watched this video. I felt a mixture of extreme rage and sadness. Tears were flowing down my cheeks as my blood was boiling. I was so angry that I wanted to reach though the screen and break the parents bones (wouldn't do that in real life...but I felt like it).
 
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There may be a point at which humans are probably overburdening the planet through numbers alone (I don't think the growth is purely exponential; I wonder if they could reach this point in practice without toppling the food web, destroying the physical environment, or running into other population-limiting factors like plagues). Still, humans contribute so disproportionately amongst themselves to environmental destruction that overpopulation feels like a bit of an oversimplification. The fact that a lot of Malthus-style overpopulation rhetoric has been pushed by many of the worst environmental criminals as a means of social control and racial eugenics (and deflection from that disproportionate culpability) also makes me suspicious of advancing it as an argument.

I am not actually antinatalist, but I believe all humans should have the right to leave this world, unhindered. We don't, so that affects my feelings in practice. I care about children a lot and know from personal experience and study that they are more defenseless than any other human beings, in part due to being undermined, disbelieved, and pushed around by people who are totally indifferent to the power they wield over their development. So, I sympathise very greatly with antinatalists, and think that wanting humans to do more to protect children, especially at this point, is probably naïve denialism on my part.

I have mixed feelings on the topic as a whole. I think it is possible to lead a comparatively happy existence with most diseases and disability, with that not being the major cause of suffering. Actually, I have a disease most people on here would say is pretty unacceptable (although my parents did not know about it until I was an adult). Of course, it's nowhere near as life-limiting as the more severe forms of osteogenesis imperfecta... It's pretty difficult to have mixed feelings about this case.

Nonetheless, I think the parents' motives here are likely terrible, and I doubt they are willing to have a serious conversation about it with their daughter, who cannot advocate for herself at her age but might quite prefer not to have suffered so much. The alternative is now that Zoe is alive, she may not prefer to die because she is one of those people who ends up on the whole thinking life is intrinsically better, but she will suffer and suffer anyway. That is also cruel. So, I also cried for Zoe. Breaking bones just through developing. I wanted to work in a field very related to this, and it's things like this that partly caused me to lose faith in what I was doing. I don't want to be an enabler.

(I'll note that, due to the nature of my mutation, I would be transmitting a far more severe form of my disease if I reproduced; there are a million reasons for me not to reproduce, such as said environmental destruction, but even if those didn't exist, I would consider that a dealbreaker. Because I can tolerate my disease and most people with it are happy does not make it responsible or necessary in my opinion to have a child with this disease.)
 
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undertherainbow

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Disclaimer: Did not watch the video.
My baby died recently and during the aftermath of it all, you couldn't tell my crazy butt nothing. My baby could have been born as just a human head and my harmonal ass would have accepted it. Stupid and selfish, I know. Now that I'm no longer a hormonal mess, I would never make my child suffer. Ever.
 
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millefeui

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Disclaimer: Did not watch the video.
My baby died recently and during the aftermath of it all, you couldn't tell my crazy butt nothing. My baby could have been born as just a human head and my harmonal ass would have accepted it. Stupid and selfish, I know. Now that I'm no longer a hormonal mess, I would never make my child suffer. Ever.
That is a good point. Hormones do make this kind of decision more difficult. It is a species self preservation thing. Mothers are wired that way, to protect and want their babies.
 
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this is horrifying. Parents would rather be selfish and have a child endure a life of suffering than to not have a child at all.

Fuck this world.
 
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worldexploder

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Disclaimer: Did not watch the video.
My baby died recently and during the aftermath of it all, you couldn't tell my crazy butt nothing. My baby could have been born as just a human head and my harmonal ass would have accepted it. Stupid and selfish, I know. Now that I'm no longer a hormonal mess, I would never make my child suffer. Ever.
I'm sorry to hear you had to go though all that. At least you know that your child will never know suffering. I'm guessing it was a miscarriage right?
 
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Disclaimer: Did not watch the video.
My baby died recently and during the aftermath of it all, you couldn't tell my crazy butt nothing. My baby could have been born as just a human head and my harmonal ass would have accepted it. Stupid and selfish, I know. Now that I'm no longer a hormonal mess, I would never make my child suffer. Ever.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you and your baby. What you said resonated really strongly with me—I feel a little bit of protectiveness seize my heart just imagining my own hypothetical child, who would also probably be ill for life. I know that it is nothing compared to the all-rewriting response of a parent. Thank you for sharing that point of view.
 
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That is a good point. Hormones do make this kind of decision more difficult. It is a species self preservation thing. Mothers are wired that way, to protect and want their babies.
It's a powerful thing. I cant describe it.
I'm sorry to hear you had to go though all that. At least you know that your child will never know suffering. I'm guessing it was a miscarriage right?
Thank you and yeah, it was a miscarriage that happened a bit late in the game.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you and your baby. What you said resonated really strongly with me—I feel a little bit of protectiveness seize my heart just imagining my own hypothetical child, who would also probably be ill for life. I know that it is nothing compared to the all-rewriting response of a parent. Thank you for sharing that point of view.
Thank you. I kinda wonder if those parents have repressed regrets once the "baby fever" died down.
 
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