First of all I am not an expert and I don't know all the proper words in English. Moreover I am mentally quite fucked currently this is why I don't have much time for a long research.
So here I go try to sound smart and spread some knowledge. Take it with a grain of salt.
There are 3 problems I think about concerning the title. Once that depression can delude you and that psychosis can delude you. Don't forget the mania.
First of all the what is intersubjectivity: intersubjectivity is the relation or intersection between people's cognittive perspectives.
Intersubjectivity is "The sharing of subjective states by two or more individuals." (Scheff 2006). It refers to shared emotion (attunement), shared attention, and share intention.
Okay when I think about intersubjectivitiy I mean the following. We all live in our own minds. We do not perceive the world always rational and objective. Due to different states of minds our perception can get deluded or distorted. Our emotions, feelings and mental illnesses can influence our way of thinking a lot.
I have experienced this quite often due to my different conditions. During my depressive epsiodes I thought they would last forever. Morevover I falsely thought that it would never get better (which was not true).I think depression can make you feel as if the situation was more hopeless than it really is. Especially when mental illness is something new for the person, the person does not know about the problem of intersubjectivity and has not much education on mental illnesses. This is why one should always question ones own thoughts before making an important decision.
But I would never be this insane as some people who are quite extreme about it. Some people claim mentally ill people could never be rational due to their illness. I think this is an utterly insane assumption. Also "neurotypical" people can have biases and a distorted perceptions.
I have different approaches how to check my mind. I am more often deluded by my psychotic illness. I talk with my friends who know me in real life and who experienced my psychotic symptoms quite often when I am not sure about my perception. I have talked to different therapists and listened to their opinion. I have talked with a lot of professionals about my life and my mind. I have learned a lot. It is interesting to learn new perspectives. Medication is a necessity to control my psychotic symptoms. Without them I would be delusional 24/7. I know which topics can trigger me. It is hard to be self-aware all the time.
It is so interesting. The following was the initial thought which gave me the idea for the thread. If you are in a clinic with a lot of other psychotic people it is literally quite insane. Most people recognitze how other people get distorted. If you are smart and empathetic you can try to analyze what kind of delusional person stands in front of you. There are for example the "security agencies" people, the "supernatural" psychotics, the religious and Jesus types. I have met once a person I think he thought he is on a religious mission. He told me something like "I am Jesus Christ and I am on my religious mission but all around me there are only insane people". Quite ironic isn't it. But I try not to make fun of delusional people it can hurt so much if people do that. I have experienced this more than enough.
This is really something fasciniating. You can clearly see that other people are delusional but it is sometimes so extremely hard to judge whether you are delusional. I think it is really important trying to be self-conscious. Also mania can distort people. Some people enjoy it so much that they don't want to think about the consequences of their actions. It is a little bit embarassing for me not being fully sane. But trying to be self-aware is quite essential in order to improve. There were some people in the psych ward who told themselves yes I have supernatural powers, I am the best and I can do whatever I want. On the one hand it is a benefit having such a high self-esteem. But it is quite the contrast of the reality. Some people lie to themselves in order to avoid uncomfortable truths. Maybe ingorance is really sometimes a bliss.
What do you think about this issue? Do you think you ever were delusional? Sometimes also not psychotic people can be paranoid. But mostly not in a pathological sense. For me it is quite important to be rational about my life, future and decisions. I try therapy in order to achieve that. One could say maybe I am too pessimistic but I am not sure about that. I have experienced horrible pain in the past and yeah I am not happy when I think about my future. But I won't elaborate in detail about that now.
Thanks for reading this! :)
So here I go try to sound smart and spread some knowledge. Take it with a grain of salt.
There are 3 problems I think about concerning the title. Once that depression can delude you and that psychosis can delude you. Don't forget the mania.
First of all the what is intersubjectivity: intersubjectivity is the relation or intersection between people's cognittive perspectives.
Intersubjectivity is "The sharing of subjective states by two or more individuals." (Scheff 2006). It refers to shared emotion (attunement), shared attention, and share intention.
Okay when I think about intersubjectivitiy I mean the following. We all live in our own minds. We do not perceive the world always rational and objective. Due to different states of minds our perception can get deluded or distorted. Our emotions, feelings and mental illnesses can influence our way of thinking a lot.
I have experienced this quite often due to my different conditions. During my depressive epsiodes I thought they would last forever. Morevover I falsely thought that it would never get better (which was not true).I think depression can make you feel as if the situation was more hopeless than it really is. Especially when mental illness is something new for the person, the person does not know about the problem of intersubjectivity and has not much education on mental illnesses. This is why one should always question ones own thoughts before making an important decision.
But I would never be this insane as some people who are quite extreme about it. Some people claim mentally ill people could never be rational due to their illness. I think this is an utterly insane assumption. Also "neurotypical" people can have biases and a distorted perceptions.
I have different approaches how to check my mind. I am more often deluded by my psychotic illness. I talk with my friends who know me in real life and who experienced my psychotic symptoms quite often when I am not sure about my perception. I have talked to different therapists and listened to their opinion. I have talked with a lot of professionals about my life and my mind. I have learned a lot. It is interesting to learn new perspectives. Medication is a necessity to control my psychotic symptoms. Without them I would be delusional 24/7. I know which topics can trigger me. It is hard to be self-aware all the time.
It is so interesting. The following was the initial thought which gave me the idea for the thread. If you are in a clinic with a lot of other psychotic people it is literally quite insane. Most people recognitze how other people get distorted. If you are smart and empathetic you can try to analyze what kind of delusional person stands in front of you. There are for example the "security agencies" people, the "supernatural" psychotics, the religious and Jesus types. I have met once a person I think he thought he is on a religious mission. He told me something like "I am Jesus Christ and I am on my religious mission but all around me there are only insane people". Quite ironic isn't it. But I try not to make fun of delusional people it can hurt so much if people do that. I have experienced this more than enough.
This is really something fasciniating. You can clearly see that other people are delusional but it is sometimes so extremely hard to judge whether you are delusional. I think it is really important trying to be self-conscious. Also mania can distort people. Some people enjoy it so much that they don't want to think about the consequences of their actions. It is a little bit embarassing for me not being fully sane. But trying to be self-aware is quite essential in order to improve. There were some people in the psych ward who told themselves yes I have supernatural powers, I am the best and I can do whatever I want. On the one hand it is a benefit having such a high self-esteem. But it is quite the contrast of the reality. Some people lie to themselves in order to avoid uncomfortable truths. Maybe ingorance is really sometimes a bliss.
What do you think about this issue? Do you think you ever were delusional? Sometimes also not psychotic people can be paranoid. But mostly not in a pathological sense. For me it is quite important to be rational about my life, future and decisions. I try therapy in order to achieve that. One could say maybe I am too pessimistic but I am not sure about that. I have experienced horrible pain in the past and yeah I am not happy when I think about my future. But I won't elaborate in detail about that now.
Thanks for reading this! :)
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