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Her strategy is to portray me as psychosis patient who cannot be trusted. My reply was: I document every single session in detail. I write long posts about it on the internet without mentioning her name. I talked about her unprofessional work to my friends, family, random people on the internet, even with my psychiatrist. My point is: she cannot smear as paranoid insane person. I document everything we said on detail throughout the whole therapy. I might have to use online forum posts in order to defend me in court . Lol.

I am not sure where to start. I will write it down in my native language later today, with clear names and stuff like that. It shows my real assets. My friends and the community on here where I documented everything she said or done to me.

I already mentioned it in this forum a couple of times. My friends considered my therapist a red flag. I showed them mails that were so poorly writen. I thought maybe I should trust in therapists. Smart people told me that. This was a car crash.

3,5 months ago me and my therapist had an argument. I wanted to continue therapy in 1 to 1 therapy sessions. She only offered switching between single/and group sessions. I asked her whether she can extent the therapy sessions with this application to my health insurace. Her answer was I am not enough altruistic for that. An argument started I told her it would help so much if she did that. She insinuated therapy is pointless in my case anyway. She discouraged me from continuing therapy. She blamed me that we barely make progress. I blamed her.
I wanted to keep the therapy and wrote her a 9 pages analysis so that the application to extend therapy doesn't take too much of her time. She demanded to write her some answers to questions like therapy goals.

We had one meeting in August. There were no arguments. I didn't expect she would be still angry. In her mails she was sort of friendly.
I think I might be a little bit condescending towards her. I admit that and that contributed to the argument. She forgets many important things I say to her. Even core events of my childhood. I think she isn't that smart. And her low motivation combined with low skills to analyze me don't make her a good therapist. My psychiatrist suggested to change my therapist but noone answered my phone calls or mails I sent.

The day today was absolutely insane. I took 1mg lorazepam afterwards I never would have expected something like that could happen. I am catastrophizing social interactions. But I did not imagine such a disaster. My life is so absurd. I explained my therapist the current mood I am in. I felt more stable than usual. The last days were good. I talked about the chemistry master student in my self-help group and how she tried to gaslit me. I found a good way to find a solution. I described everything to one of my closest friends who is also mentally ill and he witnessed the conflict withhis own eyes when he accompanied me to a self-help group session. Two borderline women have a fight and sent themselves passive-aggressive messages in sublimnal ways. But if you confront them they will deny that. I wanted to mediate this conflict and made everything worse. The chemistry master student was even more angry on me. She gaslit me and undermined my mental stability. But I distanced myself from her. We had no contact for around 3 weeks.

I explained this self-help group drama to my therapist. I had to correct her multiple times because her memories were faulty. She forgets stuff all the time. Or she doesn't get my point. I might be condescending towards her. I admit that. But it is also her low motivation. Extending therapy should take 5 weeks, With her it took like 3,5 months. In many instances she is so unprofessional. We had a dispute about the chemistry master student. I told her how much I suffered from the toxic atmosphere and passive-aggressive language. And how annoying it is for me not being able to communicate about it openly. Because everything is often only insinuated and cannot be talked freely. When I contront the chemistry master student she will always deny it. And my therapist sort of blamed me the victim and not the person who gaslit me. She said something like you talked badly about the chemistry master student behind her back. You are the one who did something wrong. Though, I only wanted to mediate the conflict between them because the atmosphere was really toxic. I messaged a third member of the group so that he helps me to calm down the mood. She also didn't get seemingly that confronting the chemistry master student would not be a good strategy because they would always blame it on my paranoia and never believe me. And instead by using gaslighting undermining my mental stability. I got angry. How can she do victim blaming in this instance? In German there is the beautiful term Täter-Opfer Umkehr.
I was pretty mad. Then she did something insane. She told me an anecdote. She exactly knows patients like that. For example, people with borderline who always pretend to be the victim while devaluing me as a therapist, accusing me and blaming me for stuff I never did. And then they sit in front of you and say literally nothing. She chuckled after she said that. It was obviously targeted against me. She just did what the chemistry master student did to me. I was really really stunned how unprofessional such a behavior is. I already told my psychiatrist and friends that she is a mess and unprofessional but I never would have imagined something like that. But wait it will become WAY worse.

I was stunned. I looked deep into her eyes to give her a guilty conscience for what she just did. She looked away. I talked about my suicidality that I almost killed myself last October. By the way she also forgot that. She asked me whether I am refering to this October. No, I am not. She is a catastrophe as therapist. I wanted to give her a guilty conscience for what she just did to me. I told her I think I cannot continue therapy with her because there is not enough trust between us anymore. The conflict which I hoped might be over was solved after this long break. But she still seems to be pissed at me. I might be a person who tends to lecture people. And maybe this makes me not that sympathetic. But this behavior of her cannot be excused. She manipulated me after I told her explicitly that I struggle with such behavior/passive-aggressive language/such a toxic atmosphere. I told her I wll search for a different therapist. This made her really mad. She only wrote the extension of my therapy sessions under the promise that I will take the sessions only with her. And yes I promised that to her but I never signed a contract or something. But such a breach of trust of manipulating me in such a way is inexcusable. In a prior session she already blamed solely me for our dispute. And told me my autism is the reason why I am offending other people in such a way. (also her) Did she actually think I would continue therapy with her after such a breach of trust? Why in the world would she think so? Tbh my trust in therapists is completely gone after today. This was a horror show. I had good therapists. But holy shit what the fuck is wrong with this woman. I think I will use AI as therapist from now on.

In the session of today I told her something I recently shared in this forum. You can get a lot of reparations if you are victim of child abuse in my country. And that I hope that this might help me to solve my money issues. Moreover, it is a legitimate way of sueing for one's rights. I could make the case in my opinion very convincing to increase the chance to get that money. It would help me if she or my psychiatrist gives me proof that we talked in therapy about the abuse and if she could evaluate the likelihood that she child abuse led to my inability to work. We talked about it in the middle of the session. And at the end of the session. The different was that after I told her that I won't continue therapy with her she became really angry.

She said she will note down: that this is a dishonest money making scheme of me. The purpose according to her wasn't processing my traumata it only would be a way to get money. Especially, because I don't stop the contact with my mom. (That has nothing to do with my case).
I told her I am still eligible to get that money. And it is not a dishonest money making scheme. I experienced traumata in my childhood by my mom and this led to my inability to work. And this is why I am eligible to receive that money. Teachers never intervened in the case despite the fact my behavioral problems (crying every day in first and second class) were obvious.

I was pretty scared that she takes revenge by telling lies about my condition so that I lose my nursing case money, or my severely handicapped pass would not be renewed. She really scared me. So I tried to scare her back. She said to me she will write down that I was paranoid this session and I just invented a lot of stuff in my fantasy because of my past psychosis. I found this incredibly abusive. Which therapist actually does something like that? I replied. Well I document all sessions in detail on my devices. I send long audio messages about every single session, I write down what happened after every single session in an anonymous online forum, I talked with friends, family, strangers online and even my psychiatrist about her. I think she was not pleased when I said to her that I talked with my psychiatrist about the therapy and that she recommended me to switch the therapist. I wanted to say to her. Her goal to pretend I was an untrustworthy psychotic and paranoid patient will fail because I document literally everything. She scared me very much with her threat to portray me as someone who tries to cheat with the social services. I had the feeling I needed to scare her back so that she won't actually do it. I told her whether she knows what people talk about her in online reviews. And that I find it really under all contempt what other people talk about her. Actually, there are some reviews where people say about her how unprofessional she was: Some of them are quite funny. I told her though I won't publish anything about her. But she perceived it as if "I wanted to ruin her". She also told me she never expected me to be that dangerous. Tbh you are fucking with a person who has gone through so much trauma. You try to manipulate me and pretend in front of others I just invented such claims. What have you thought? That I am an easy target for your disgusting attempts to bring me down and low key bullying? I tried to defend me with the same weapons she used.

She wanted that I come to the next session to meet with her again. I declined after what just happened I don't have enough trust anymore. I told her I am sorry. If she wants to say something to me she shall write me an e-mail. I knew with a new meeting in person she could just invent things because I am a still a patient that is from time to time paranoid. It felt like some sort of trap.
I told her if she has something to say to me please write me an mail. She declined. I asked but you want to say something to me. Why does it have to be in person and not per e-mail? She replied "simply no" a couple of times. I just stated again and again please write me an e-mail if you have something to say. Please write me an e-mail where you describe the session of today to me. She declined and replied she never handles such stuff over e-mail. I replied this is a lie. We exchanged quite some e-mails about mischievious stuff since therapy started. I reminded her can you remember when I showed you how to bypass paywalls? She replied well what's that about. This isn't illegal. And my reply was well actually it is illegal. Though my actual point was reminding her of the mails we exchanged. Then I reminded her of something else. I also posted it in this forum and talked with my friends about it in detail. She accused me of not having had handing in an anamnesis questionannaire some months ago. I think she needed it to write the application of extending therapy sessions.
I could look up the exact date. I also elaborated it to my friends in very long voice messages. She blamed me for not having had handing it in. But I was absolutely certain I handed it in because it took me 4 hours to fill it out. I begged her to look for it in her documents. But she rejected it and blamed it on. I tried to remain friendly. And said in a very polite way please could you look one more time. And then oh well she found it. I also reminded her of this incident. After a couple of times I still said to her please write me an e-mail if you have something to say to me. I decliced to meet her one more time in person. Not enough trust. Then she told me to leave her place. And I did so in peaceful way.

I am scared to see her in court again. This could become really expensive. One friend told me that. With not much money fighting a lawsuit is always hard. My dad and one friend calmed me down and said there will never be a lawsuit. Personally, I am really not sure. And I am scared. Another friend of mine was sort of speechless.

What are your remarks about this incident? Personally, I lost trust in therapy fully today. I will message my psychiatrist (I really like her) with a short note of what has happened. And what her evaluation of this story is.
 
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I think it's fantastic that you keep such detailed notes about all your medical sessions.

It's good practice for anyone engaging the healthcare system to record details about every interaction. You never know what information might help you in the future to be able to look back on.

Something beyond imagination happened today. My therapist was extremely abusive and we might sue each other soon...
You have many rights and protections as a patient. Therapists have many barriers and constraints.

I cannot fathom a scenario where a therapist brings a lawsuit against a patient who they acknowledge is mentally ill, especially including paranoia and psychosis. For the therapist, the optics alone would have disastrous implications for their career. And from a legal standpoint, the therapist would be walking into a case where they're immediately acknowledging diminished capacity on the part of the patient (basically making the patient's defence argument for them).

Even if your comments could be said to be legally defaming, you'd have a wide open door to argue they were the result of your mental state. And you'd have the therapist's own notes to support this.

Also: Confidentiality and professional ethics concerns would be additional legal barriers for the therapist.

As far as her seeking an extension for you under your stated promise to see her for more sessions: You have the right to switch therapists. There is no claim for her to make there.

Even if you would have signed an unbreakable contract that mandated you see her, specifically, for a certain number of future sessions, you could go into those sessions and stay absolutely silent. Even under the theoretical scenario where you were legally required to show up, nothing actually requires that you engage with her or speak any words at all in those appointments.

I am not a lawyer. And my knowledge of German law is, to say the least, limited. But I think it's safe to listen to your family and friends as they reassure you there will never be a lawsuit.
 
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I think it's fantastic that you keep such detailed notes about all your medical sessions.

It's good practice for anyone engaging the healthcare system to record details about every interaction. You never know what information might help you in the future to be able to look back on.


You have many rights and protections as a patient. Therapists have many barriers and constraints.

I cannot fathom a scenario where a therapist brings a lawsuit against a patient who they acknowledge is mentally ill, especially including paranoia and psychosis. For the therapist, the optics alone would have disastrous implications for their career. And from a legal standpoint, the therapist would be walking into a case where they're immediately acknowledging diminished capacity on the part of the patient (basically making the patient's defence argument for them).

Even if your comments could be said to be legally defaming, you'd have a wide open door to argue they were the result of your mental state. And you'd have the therapist's own notes to support this.

Also: Confidentiality and professional ethics concerns would be additional legal barriers for the therapist.

As far as her seeking an extension for you under your stated promise to see her for more sessions: You have the right to switch therapists. There is no claim for her to make there.

Even if you would have signed an unbreakable contract that mandated you see her, specifically, for a certain number of future sessions, you could go into those sessions and stay absolutely silent. Even under the theoretical scenario where you were legally required to show up, nothing actually requires that you engage with her or speak any words at all in those appointments.

I am not a lawyer. And my knowledge of German law is, to say the least, limited. But I think it's safe to listen to your family and friends as they reassure you there will never be a lawsuit.
Thank you so much for your kind and lovely support Link. It was a rough day to say at least and it triggered a lot of tensions also inside my family. I can rely on this genuinely supportive forum. Thank you to All of you beautiful souls. I will try to rest and sleep before making bigger decisions how to respond. My therapist sent me a mail and it reads defensive. A lawsuit seems unlikely. I will have to calm down a bit. But this day Was traumatizing.
 
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It continued today. She sent me a couple of mails today. It was stressful because I wanted that my replies were on point and legally safe.

Tbh she behaved like Crimey McCrimington in these e-mails. It is an idiom Secular Talk uses. It means someone acts in a way which is obviously in conflict with the law/or obviously not honest. I demanded of her only to communicate with me in written forms. Which was a good move because otherwise its one person's word against another's. She wasn't please when I demanded that of her.

She sent me a mail that either documents that she is extremely incompetent or I can prove without any doubt that she is lying in this mail.
After my reply where I provided evidence she was panicking and sent me more mails. One with a very poor excuse for her prior mail.

Then she wanted to bait me. She wanted that I leave a message on her answering equippment. She wrote something provocating and demanded of me to call her. Obviously, I didn't fall for it. She wanted that I leave an emotional message on her phone that she will be able to use against me.
Instead, I wrote a factual and neutral reply and denied her demand. Because there is no regulation or law that commits me to fulfill her demand.

I documented everything for my psychiatrist. I think she is the judge in this case. And with these ridiculous mails this woman sent me I might have good chances to win this case. I hope there won't be a lawsuit though.
 
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@noname223 I can't speak further to the threat (or lack of threat) of a lawsuit, and again with the disclaimer that I'm neither a legal nor medical professional: It sounds like you have nothing to gain by further communicating (at all) with this therapist -- that further contact with her could only result in a neutral or negative outcome for you.

As this is causing you an extraordinary amount of stress, I feel like it would be advisable to sever all contact with this therapist. Total non-contact. If you have to get some kind of discharge paperwork or anything like that, then you could request that of her or maybe go above her and request it through her supervisor. Other than that, for anything else she emails or mails to you, I feel like a "document but do not engage" approach might be for the best, going forward.

Keep your psychiatrist informed (but I might avoid sharing anything beyond the basics of the situation unless they specifically ask you for more details) and have faith that you have their support through this.

If you're in need of a new therapist, maybe your psychiatrist would be able to make a referral?

My psychiatrist suggested to change my therapist but noone answered my phone calls or mails I sent.
^Or you could look at following up on your previous attempts?

It continued today. She sent me a couple of mails today. It was stressful because I wanted that my replies were on point and legally safe.
I am not entirely confident in what I'm saying to you in this message, so hopefully you can get some feedback from others who are familiar with what's been going on.
 
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Omg this is so fucked up and scary!
 
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I lose more and more faith in the whole health industry. I never thought this would be actually the reality. I am stunned. I contacted 3 different independent counsellors for patient's rights. The first person just lied to me. DIrectly into my face. I won't go into details. But she more or less argumented I shall give in. Give up. And move on. It doesn't matter. All of the 3 counsellors were anti-escalation. They were not neutral in my opinion. I also messaged my psychiatrist who also was against escalation. The second person I called was more on my side. She actually informed me how I can enforce my rights. But she also didn't specify that only if I sue I can change the record of my health records. This is a truth noone was willing to admit. I read it online multiple times though. The first one completely denied it. A blatant lie. The second one I talked to stayed vague. I am not sure why she didn't say it. I think anti-escalation reasons. She was more on my side. Then at the evening I talked to another dude. The thing is he sort of gaslit me too. He said she probably didn't lie to you or about you intentionally it is all a misunderstanding. Keep it cool. Move on. Who cares? These people might be right sueing for your rights should't be a form of vengeance. But it is extremely important to me that my medical records are straight. I cannot work and this woman implies and more or less outright says that I am lying to get more money from social services. And I cannot accept that. I won't go into more details. I already did way too much. Lol. Tbh I think it is a slam dunk case for me to win. I can prove most of my claims. I acted strategically right in the situation. But she made extremely stupid mistakes in our exchange afterwards. I sort of provoked these mistakes. It is was a strategy to give her less certainty to win. Because without our exchange after the session my chance would be pretty pretty low to win. FIrst, she acted in hybris. Then she panicked and messed it even up no more. I bet she searched for how to delete mails after you sent them. I saved all of them of course. Sueing her is completely money free. And as long as I am not intentionally lying there cannot be harm to me if I do it. And I am not lying. I am saying the truth. I basically can only win if I sue and I cannot lose. They can say I am too unstable to trust. But there wouldln't be harm in this case. I already wrote everything in detail. I will wait before I will act on it for some specific reasons.

I had a debate about ethics with the last guy (third counsellor). And he sort of gave me a guilty conscience for ruining her career. Even though, she lied intentionally. I said to him. You know it doesn't matter if this woman considers me smug, arrogant and an idiot. She has every right to think that about me. However, we live in a constitutional state. If we don't sanction unethical actions, we legitimize them. (Side note: Especially, if it is an institutional actor I didn't specify that.) I told him I don't let other people treat me like that. (I think this is my lesson from getting bullied. And I ask myself whether I might be considered a bully because I lectured my therapist so often in our therapy sessions.) However, if she does this to me. She might do it to other people. I am a very vulnerable person. Though, I had the mental capacities to defend me and a huge portion of luck. I shouldn't become too certain about winning the case though. Moreover, I could imagine that she herself considers visiting a suicide forum if her reputation gets this much damage. I think it is more rational to consider her the bully. And maybe her behavior is systematically and I am only one victim of many. Maybe if I bring truth to this case I can avoid more victims. Maybe that's a rationalization of vengeance though. The whole thing is completely insane though. I think this will worsen my mental health issues a lot. It already has. In front of my therapist and the chemistry master student I was open about cognitive restructering and both of them fully abused it. The lesson is maybe I don't need cognitive restructruting. Maybe catastrophizing social interactions has some merits. Maybe the world out there is actually dark and evil and you need to be extremely carefully who you trust. You cannot even trust your own therapist. Honestly, I had one extremely bitter therapy experience beforehand. I always thought this was a bad apple. I always was the one on Sanctioned Suicide defending therapists, give them a try (I still think giving a try is good). But I couldn't fathom this extreme kind of abuse from a therapist. I read stories where therapists raped their patients. Emotionally it feels similar. I never was raped though. I had the thought I would spot those monsters right from the spot. I wouldn't fall for them. The irony though in some ways I predicted her behavior all the time. My low key paranoia saved from trusting her completely. And this was fucking good. Other people called her a red flag. And I wanted to simply trust in therapists even if we have different opinions often.

One note to end. There is a weird anecdote I already spread to my political friends. They don't fully support it.
I am less focused on politics currently because the whole thing is overwhelming. I already elaborated on it in this forum. When I opened up to my (former) therapist that I attended a pro-Palestine protest, she more or less she put me in the Nazi corner. She suspected me to be a Nazi. Asked me very weird questions. People on here called it a interrogation. I know this might be a generalization. But are many people who defend Israel in my country, like her? And there are many people with such an attitude? (I already suspected many of them to be careerist and sheep who are staunch Israel supporter). Are many of them similar to her? You know me I needed to become political at the end.

You know posting on Sanctioned Suicide is cathartic. I needed that this evening.
 
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Totally normal day. It seems. At first, my therapist sent me another mail which screamed "I AM GUILTY! I AM GUILTY!" She tried to calm me while at the same time doubling down on lying about my motives. I considered to accept that because most of these counsellors said it doesn't matter. I think though that's a lie. And they don't actually know what is at stake when it comes to my medical records. My life depends on that. I cannot work. This woman tried to ruin my existence because I treated her badly according to her. (My theory) It doesn't not legitimitzing ruining my life. And now I shall spare her because she whines about her existence? These lies in my medical records are way worse than the punishment that will expect her. I think she knows I will have no other choice than sueing her if I want my medical records to be cleaned. I could imagine she is looking for a lawyer currently. She is in a lot of trouble and I think she has close to zero chances to win this if there is a trial. With every mail she sends me she digged deeper her own grave. I could imagine she looks for a way to contact me without sending these mails. My former therapist told me that she will contact my psychiatrist. And I had the feeling my psychiatrist tried to calm me down. I won't let her influence my decision though. There is too much at stake.

At the evening something horrendous happened. My mom and her boyfriend actually blamed me for the mental abuse that I endured by my therapist. I cried afterwards and we had a huge argument.

Then my dad called and asked me how I am doing. I didn't want to tell him the truth actually about all of that. Because he currently has major depression. But he called me without a prior message something I told him to never do again. And he simply doesn't listen. I told him most of the things. But I didn't say the truth how extreme the impact on my mental health is. I thought my mom maybe spilled the tea to him. But it wasn't the case.
 
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These lies in my medical records are way worse than the punishment that will expect her.
For purposes of your medical record, certainly it would consist of notes, assessments, discharge summaries, etc. authored by a number of people, and some of those authors' opinions will carry more weight than others. For instance, in assessing someone for benefits, the word of a psychiatrist (especially one who's been treating a patient consistently over time) will generally be weighted more than that of a therapist (I suppose depending on the latter's credentials).

Have you had a look at her contribution to your medical record? If not, then maybe it's not actually so problematic? I've had sessions with mental health professionals where I've thought they've gone very badly and might reflect poorly in my own record, only to later discover their notes were written in a neutral tone.

She said she would record certain points and opinions, but what she said and what she did could be two different things.

If she did indeed add a negative opinion to your record, she would only be one voice among many. For purposes of government assessments, they look at the entirety of a patient's case, and you have a lengthy history in mental healthcare that would easily refute any suggestion that you're lying. If she in fact stated that in your record, she'd be disputing your entire mental health history, basically disputing everyone else who's authored anything in your record. It seems if anything would be at risk, it would be her credibility.

I think she knows I will have no other choice than sueing her if I want my medical records to be cleaned.
I wonder what "risk vs reward" would look like in launching a case here.

In a lawsuit situation, one of your advisors mentioned its effect on the therapist's reputation. But what effect could it have on your reputation, as far as within the mental health community? Could there be risk of being branded "the patient who sued their therapist", and what would that look like?

I also wonder if launching a lawsuit could be used against you in any assessment for social benefits. In all likelihood, this couldn't be officially used against you. But there is a stigma about mental health, especially as it relates to social benefits. An automatic assumption could be, "If they can bring a court case against someone, then why can't they get a job?" and this could prompt an assessor to scrutinize your case more thoroughly and look for other reasons to disqualify you. (Assuming an assessor finds out about the lawsuit in the first place.)

It sounds like everyone you've spoken to for advice has advised you against proceeding with a case. Could all of them be wrong, or could their shared opinion be foreboding of the impact a court case would have on you? You already deal with a severe-to-extreme level of persistent stress in your daily life. I can only imagine a legal case would bring a lot of extra stress and emotional pain upon you, the effects of which may be unforeseeable until if/when you're actually doing it and well-past the point of no return. I'd also consider, "What if you lost the case," as far as what effect a negative outcome would have on your mental health.

If you were to decide against taking her to court, it doesn't mean you'd have to drop the issue altogether: I'd expect there should be a way to file an official complaint with whatever government agency or board oversees her professional position. Also, it doesn't necessarily mean you'd be "accepting" what happened or that any of it was OK. It would just mean you're prioritizing your own well-being by forgoing the turmoil of a court case whose "risk vs reward" is potentially imbalanced.
 
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For purposes of your medical record, certainly it would consist of notes, assessments, discharge summaries, etc. authored by a number of people, and some of those authors' opinions will carry more weight than others. For instance, in assessing someone for benefits, the word of a psychiatrist (especially one who's been treating a patient consistently over time) will generally be weighted more than that of a therapist (I suppose depending on the latter's credentials).

Have you had a look at her contribution to your medical record? If not, then maybe it's not actually so problematic? I've had sessions with mental health professionals where I've thought they've gone very badly and might reflect poorly in my own record, only to later discover their notes were written in a neutral tone.

She said she would record certain points and opinions, but what she said and what she did could be two different things.

If she did indeed add a negative opinion to your record, she would only be one voice among many. For purposes of government assessments, they look at the entirety of a patient's case, and you have a lengthy history in mental healthcare that would easily refute any suggestion that you're lying. If she in fact stated that in your record, she'd be disputing your entire mental health history, basically disputing everyone else who's authored anything in your record. It seems if anything would be at risk, it would be her credibility.


I wonder what "risk vs reward" would look like in launching a case here.

In a lawsuit situation, one of your advisors mentioned its effect on the therapist's reputation. But what effect could it have on your reputation, as far as within the mental health community? Could there be risk of being branded "the patient who sued their therapist", and what would that look like?

I also wonder if launching a lawsuit could be used against you in any assessment for social benefits. In all likelihood, this couldn't be officially used against you. But there is a stigma about mental health, especially as it relates to social benefits. An automatic assumption could be, "If they can bring a court case against someone, then why can't they get a job?" and this could prompt an assessor to scrutinize your case more thoroughly and look for other reasons to disqualify you. (Assuming an assessor finds out about the lawsuit in the first place.)

It sounds like everyone you've spoken to for advice has advised you against proceeding with a case. Could all of them be wrong, or could their shared opinion be foreboding of the impact a court case would have on you? You already deal with a severe-to-extreme level of persistent stress in your daily life. I can only imagine a legal case would bring a lot of extra stress and emotional pain upon you, the effects of which may be unforeseeable until if/when you're actually doing it and well-past the point of no return. I'd also consider, "What if you lost the case," as far as what effect a negative outcome would have on your mental health.

If you were to decide against taking her to court, it doesn't mean you'd have to drop the issue altogether: I'd expect there should be a way to file an official complaint with whatever government agency or board oversees her professional position. Also, it doesn't necessarily mean you'd be "accepting" what happened or that any of it was OK. It would just mean you're prioritizing your own well-being by forgoing the turmoil of a court case whose "risk vs reward" is potentially imbalanced.
I demanded my right to look at my medical records. She obfuscated as good as possible. Ruining her credibility even more. Then I insisted again on it. I will decide based on what she has writen in my medical record. If it is what she actually wrote in her mails I will probably file a complain. Maybe she will reject my request/right to take a look at it.

Actually, I think I can only win. As long as I don't lie. They might say I am too mentally unstable. And this is why they won't follow my logic. I think in statement they will say this might be paranoid and too much interpretation. I won't specify all the details. But there are specific reasons why I cannot work. And there will probably no remark that I actually filed a complain as far as I know. But I will ask some patient's rights counsellors again about it. Thank you for your input and strong support. I feel horrible. And this thought of filing a complain feels like making the damage undone. And a process part of my healing. I am not sure. It gives back control. At least the illusion of it.

Edit: I won't need a lawyer to file a complain.
 
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I think in a lot of parts of the world you have a right to examine all your medical records.
 
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Her strategy is to portray me as psychosis patient who cannot be trusted. My reply was: I document every single session in detail. I write long posts about it on the internet without mentioning her name. I talked about her unprofessional work to my friends, family, random people on the internet, even with my psychiatrist. My point is: she cannot smear as paranoid insane person. I document everything we said on detail throughout the whole therapy. I might have to use online forum posts in order to defend me in court . Lol.

I am not sure where to start. I will write it down in my native language later today, with clear names and stuff like that. It shows my real assets. My friends and the community on here where I documented everything she said or done to me.

I already mentioned it in this forum a couple of times. My friends considered my therapist a red flag. I showed them mails that were so poorly writen. I thought maybe I should trust in therapists. Smart people told me that. This was a car crash.

3,5 months ago me and my therapist had an argument. I wanted to continue therapy in 1 to 1 therapy sessions. She only offered switching between single/and group sessions. I asked her whether she can extent the therapy sessions with this application to my health insurace. Her answer was I am not enough altruistic for that. An argument started I told her it would help so much if she did that. She insinuated therapy is pointless in my case anyway. She discouraged me from continuing therapy. She blamed me that we barely make progress. I blamed her.
I wanted to keep the therapy and wrote her a 9 pages analysis so that the application to extend therapy doesn't take too much of her time. She demanded to write her some answers to questions like therapy goals.

We had one meeting in August. There were no arguments. I didn't expect she would be still angry. In her mails she was sort of friendly.
I think I might be a little bit condescending towards her. I admit that and that contributed to the argument. She forgets many important things I say to her. Even core events of my childhood. I think she isn't that smart. And her low motivation combined with low skills to analyze me don't make her a good therapist. My psychiatrist suggested to change my therapist but noone answered my phone calls or mails I sent.

The day today was absolutely insane. I took 1mg lorazepam afterwards I never would have expected something like that could happen. I am catastrophizing social interactions. But I did not imagine such a disaster. My life is so absurd. I explained my therapist the current mood I am in. I felt more stable than usual. The last days were good. I talked about the chemistry master student in my self-help group and how she tried to gaslit me. I found a good way to find a solution. I described everything to one of my closest friends who is also mentally ill and he witnessed the conflict withhis own eyes when he accompanied me to a self-help group session. Two borderline women have a fight and sent themselves passive-aggressive messages in sublimnal ways. But if you confront them they will deny that. I wanted to mediate this conflict and made everything worse. The chemistry master student was even more angry on me. She gaslit me and undermined my mental stability. But I distanced myself from her. We had no contact for around 3 weeks.

I explained this self-help group drama to my therapist. I had to correct her multiple times because her memories were faulty. She forgets stuff all the time. Or she doesn't get my point. I might be condescending towards her. I admit that. But it is also her low motivation. Extending therapy should take 5 weeks, With her it took like 3,5 months. In many instances she is so unprofessional. We had a dispute about the chemistry master student. I told her how much I suffered from the toxic atmosphere and passive-aggressive language. And how annoying it is for me not being able to communicate about it openly. Because everything is often only insinuated and cannot be talked freely. When I contront the chemistry master student she will always deny it. And my therapist sort of blamed me the victim and not the person who gaslit me. She said something like you talked badly about the chemistry master student behind her back. You are the one who did something wrong. Though, I only wanted to mediate the conflict between them because the atmosphere was really toxic. I messaged a third member of the group so that he helps me to calm down the mood. She also didn't get seemingly that confronting the chemistry master student would not be a good strategy because they would always blame it on my paranoia and never believe me. And instead by using gaslighting undermining my mental stability. I got angry. How can she do victim blaming in this instance? In German there is the beautiful term Täter-Opfer Umkehr.
I was pretty mad. Then she did something insane. She told me an anecdote. She exactly knows patients like that. For example, people with borderline who always pretend to be the victim while devaluing me as a therapist, accusing me and blaming me for stuff I never did. And then they sit in front of you and say literally nothing. She chuckled after she said that. It was obviously targeted against me. She just did what the chemistry master student did to me. I was really really stunned how unprofessional such a behavior is. I already told my psychiatrist and friends that she is a mess and unprofessional but I never would have imagined something like that. But wait it will become WAY worse.

I was stunned. I looked deep into her eyes to give her a guilty conscience for what she just did. She looked away. I talked about my suicidality that I almost killed myself last October. By the way she also forgot that. She asked me whether I am refering to this October. No, I am not. She is a catastrophe as therapist. I wanted to give her a guilty conscience for what she just did to me. I told her I think I cannot continue therapy with her because there is not enough trust between us anymore. The conflict which I hoped might be over was solved after this long break. But she still seems to be pissed at me. I might be a person who tends to lecture people. And maybe this makes me not that sympathetic. But this behavior of her cannot be excused. She manipulated me after I told her explicitly that I struggle with such behavior/passive-aggressive language/such a toxic atmosphere. I told her I wll search for a different therapist. This made her really mad. She only wrote the extension of my therapy sessions under the promise that I will take the sessions only with her. And yes I promised that to her but I never signed a contract or something. But such a breach of trust of manipulating me in such a way is inexcusable. In a prior session she already blamed solely me for our dispute. And told me my autism is the reason why I am offending other people in such a way. (also her) Did she actually think I would continue therapy with her after such a breach of trust? Why in the world would she think so? Tbh my trust in therapists is completely gone after today. This was a horror show. I had good therapists. But holy shit what the fuck is wrong with this woman. I think I will use AI as therapist from now on.

In the session of today I told her something I recently shared in this forum. You can get a lot of reparations if you are victim of child abuse in my country. And that I hope that this might help me to solve my money issues. Moreover, it is a legitimate way of sueing for one's rights. I could make the case in my opinion very convincing to increase the chance to get that money. It would help me if she or my psychiatrist gives me proof that we talked in therapy about the abuse and if she could evaluate the likelihood that she child abuse led to my inability to work. We talked about it in the middle of the session. And at the end of the session. The different was that after I told her that I won't continue therapy with her she became really angry.

She said she will note down: that this is a dishonest money making scheme of me. The purpose according to her wasn't processing my traumata it only would be a way to get money. Especially, because I don't stop the contact with my mom. (That has nothing to do with my case).
I told her I am still eligible to get that money. And it is not a dishonest money making scheme. I experienced traumata in my childhood by my mom and this led to my inability to work. And this is why I am eligible to receive that money. Teachers never intervened in the case despite the fact my behavioral problems (crying every day in first and second class) were obvious.

I was pretty scared that she takes revenge by telling lies about my condition so that I lose my nursing case money, or my severely handicapped pass would not be renewed. She really scared me. So I tried to scare her back. She said to me she will write down that I was paranoid this session and I just invented a lot of stuff in my fantasy because of my past psychosis. I found this incredibly abusive. Which therapist actually does something like that? I replied. Well I document all sessions in detail on my devices. I send long audio messages about every single session, I write down what happened after every single session in an anonymous online forum, I talked with friends, family, strangers online and even my psychiatrist about her. I think she was not pleased when I said to her that I talked with my psychiatrist about the therapy and that she recommended me to switch the therapist. I wanted to say to her. Her goal to pretend I was an untrustworthy psychotic and paranoid patient will fail because I document literally everything. She scared me very much with her threat to portray me as someone who tries to cheat with the social services. I had the feeling I needed to scare her back so that she won't actually do it. I told her whether she knows what people talk about her in online reviews. And that I find it really under all contempt what other people talk about her. Actually, there are some reviews where people say about her how unprofessional she was: Some of them are quite funny. I told her though I won't publish anything about her. But she perceived it as if "I wanted to ruin her". She also told me she never expected me to be that dangerous. Tbh you are fucking with a person who has gone through so much trauma. You try to manipulate me and pretend in front of others I just invented such claims. What have you thought? That I am an easy target for your disgusting attempts to bring me down and low key bullying? I tried to defend me with the same weapons she used.

She wanted that I come to the next session to meet with her again. I declined after what just happened I don't have enough trust anymore. I told her I am sorry. If she wants to say something to me she shall write me an e-mail. I knew with a new meeting in person she could just invent things because I am a still a patient that is from time to time paranoid. It felt like some sort of trap.
I told her if she has something to say to me please write me an mail. She declined. I asked but you want to say something to me. Why does it have to be in person and not per e-mail? She replied "simply no" a couple of times. I just stated again and again please write me an e-mail if you have something to say. Please write me an e-mail where you describe the session of today to me. She declined and replied she never handles such stuff over e-mail. I replied this is a lie. We exchanged quite some e-mails about mischievious stuff since therapy started. I reminded her can you remember when I showed you how to bypass paywalls? She replied well what's that about. This isn't illegal. And my reply was well actually it is illegal. Though my actual point was reminding her of the mails we exchanged. Then I reminded her of something else. I also posted it in this forum and talked with my friends about it in detail. She accused me of not having had handing in an anamnesis questionannaire some months ago. I think she needed it to write the application of extending therapy sessions.
I could look up the exact date. I also elaborated it to my friends in very long voice messages. She blamed me for not having had handing it in. But I was absolutely certain I handed it in because it took me 4 hours to fill it out. I begged her to look for it in her documents. But she rejected it and blamed it on. I tried to remain friendly. And said in a very polite way please could you look one more time. And then oh well she found it. I also reminded her of this incident. After a couple of times I still said to her please write me an e-mail if you have something to say to me. I decliced to meet her one more time in person. Not enough trust. Then she told me to leave her place. And I did so in peaceful way.

I am scared to see her in court again. This could become really expensive. One friend told me that. With not much money fighting a lawsuit is always hard. My dad and one friend calmed me down and said there will never be a lawsuit. Personally, I am really not sure. And I am scared. Another friend of mine was sort of speechless.

What are your remarks about this incident? Personally, I lost trust in therapy fully today. I will message my psychiatrist (I really like her) with a short note of what has happened. And what her evaluation of this story is.
Why would you VOLUNTARILY continue to see this person if it's such a bad situation? She's not prescribing medication. Why didn't you get someone else or just stop therapy? Was this court ordered?
 
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Why would you VOLUNTARILY continue to see this person if it's such a bad situation? She's not prescribing medication. Why didn't you get someone else or just stop therapy? Was this court ordered?
I think you don't get the situation. After the situation escalated 1 week ago, I told her I won't continue therapy. And then she portrayed me as unreliable patient who acts pathologically. There was no meeting afterwards.
It seems like she rejects my demand/right to get a look at my medical records. Well if she does it. I will giver her a final warning. And then file my first complain.

How dumb is she? It is obvious she has something to hide if she ignores my right to look at my medical records.
 
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I think you don't get the situation. After the situation escalated 1 week ago, I told her I won't continue therapy. And then she portrayed me as unreliable patient who acts pathologically. There was no meeting afterwards.
It seems like she rejects my demand/right to get a look at my medical records. Well if she does it. I will giver her a final warning. And then file my first complain.

How dumb is she? It is obvious she has something to hide if she ignores my right to look at my medical records.
You have a right to see your records in many places.

Most professions have ethical rukes. You need to ask her for your records in a way she can't deny, ie by email, or if not email, by FedEx. You can also use an online service to write the request, print it, and mail it to her. There needs to be a record of the request. Include in that request that you have already asked many times and include the licensijg rules she is violating if you can. Then file a licensing ethics complaint against her to her licensing board.

You can also file suit. In the United States, you can request an order demanding that she follow the rules if they are statutory rules (as opposed to just licensing rules). If you want to do this, I would be careful, as it would not surprise me if she tried to hospitalize you if she's that much of an awful person.

Thank you for clarifying your earlier post. If you want the name of an online tool to print out and send something to her via mail that she can't deny, let me know. Filing a licensing ethics complaint against hsr should be fast and easy. You may want to do that soon so she can't hospitalize you. She'll deny having received a request for records.



When making the complaint, I would try to not come off as too emotional and be somewhat succinct so that the reader can follow more easily.

Your case of some sort of sexual abuse woukd be more credible if you could get ANY corroboration from a former teacher about these behavioral problems at school qhere you were crying.

Was it an immediate family member who did this or someone else? You don't have to say, but I am not following who it is.

I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit preventing mental health care or you getting a reputation. Thwrpaists are greedy and someone else, even if it's someone new, will take you if you are paying. It would be much easier to use ChatGPT and ask if tgere are liscensing rules compelling her to provide records to you (and ask for the page and the rule number and verify) and go from there.
Then she wanted to bait me. She wanted that I leave a message on her answering equippment. She wrote something provocating and demanded of me to call her.
Smart to ignore!
I demanded my right to look at my medical records. She obfuscated as good as possible. Ruining her credibility even more. Then I insisted again on it. I will decide based on what she has writen in my medical record. If it is what she actually wrote in her mails I will probably file a complain. Maybe she will reject my request/right to take a look at it.
I don't understand why you are going back and forth with her. Either there are ethics rules requiring her to do this or there are not. If there are, file an ethics complaint immediately. It wasn't a conversation, it was a demand and an order and wasn't a negotiation if there are ethics rules compelling her. Get drawn into a dramatic conversation is just what someone like this wants. They only understand licensing complaints and litigation, and the licensing board is there to protect you. I don't know your country or jurisdiction, so this coukd be all wrong, but generally, words are the last resort of people who lack power... And what I mean by that is that if she isn't DOING anything in response to this and just wasting times with words, more words to her won't help, file a complaint so she can try to play these games with her licensing superiors.
Actually, I think I can only win. As long as I don't lie. They might say I am too mentally unstable.
You should find out the exact requirements they are under. It may be there are exceptions, but only for someone grossly psychotic or dangerous, and if that were the case they may have been under an obligation to hospitize you.

She may say she thinks your claim of abuse is psychotic, so be prepared for that. She sounds like an awful person and I am glad you are not interacting with her anymore.
 
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You have a right to see your records in many places.

Most professions have ethical rukes. You need to ask her for your records in a way she can't deny, ie by email, or if not email, by FedEx. You can also use an online service to write the request, print it, and mail it to her. There needs to be a record of the request. Include in that request that you have already asked many times and include the licensijg rules she is violating if you can. Then file a licensing ethics complaint against her to her licensing board.

You can also file suit. In the United States, you can request an order demanding that she follow the rules if they are statutory rules (as opposed to just licensing rules). If you want to do this, I would be careful, as it would not surprise me if she tried to hospitalize you if she's that much of an awful person.

Thank you for clarifying your earlier post. If you want the name of an online tool to print out and send something to her via mail that she can't deny, let me know. Filing a licensing ethics complaint against hsr should be fast and easy. You may want to do that soon so she can't hospitalize you. She'll deny having received a request for records.



When making the complaint, I would try to not come off as too emotional and be somewhat succinct so that the reader can follow more easily.

Your case of some sort of sexual abuse woukd be more credible if you could get ANY corroboration from a former teacher about these behavioral problems at school qhere you were crying.

Was it an immediate family member who did this or someone else? You don't have to say, but I am not following who it is.

I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit preventing mental health care or you getting a reputation. Thwrpaists are greedy and someone else, even if it's someone new, will take you if you are paying. It would be much easier to use ChatGPT and ask if tgere are liscensing rules compelling her to provide records to you (and ask for the page and the rule number and verify) and go from there.

Smart to ignore!

I don't understand why you are going back and forth with her. Either there are ethics rules requiring her to do this or there are not. If there are, file an ethics complaint immediately. It wasn't a conversation, it was a demand and an order and wasn't a negotiation if there are ethics rules compelling her. Get drawn into a dramatic conversation is just what someone like this wants. They only understand licensing complaints and litigation, and the licensing board is there to protect you. I don't know your country or jurisdiction, so this coukd be all wrong, but generally, words are the last resort of people who lack power... And what I mean by that is that if she isn't DOING anything in response to this and just wasting times with words, more words to her won't help, file a complaint so she can try to play these games with her licensing superiors.

You should find out the exact requirements they are under. It may be there are exceptions, but only for someone grossly psychotic or dangerous, and if that were the case they may have been under an obligation to hospitize you.

She may say she thinks your claim of abuse is psychotic, so be prepared for that. She sounds like an awful person and I am glad you are not interacting with her anymore.
I demanded to see my health records, today she just denied full access. I will file a complain now. She invented bogus reasons for not giving me All my medical records. I know what to do now. I know to whom I can report her now. But legally I need to give her a final deadline. And a mail is not sufficient for the final deadline. I will work it out after holidays.

Thank All of your for your lovely and kind support. She is fucked beyond repair because the legal violations are obvious.
 
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I demanded to see my health records, today she just denied full access. I will file a complain now. She invented bogus reasons for not giving me All my medical records. I know what to do now. I know to whom I can report her now. But legally I need to give her a final deadline. And a mail is not sufficient for the final deadline. I will work it out after holidays.

Thank All of your for your lovely and kind support. She is fucked beyond repair because the legal violations are obvious.
Please get the exact legal requirements, please make sure there is written proof. Please be careful she doesn't try to hospitalize you now. They are all snakes, you are at risk, memorize numbers, do not answer the door, possibly even stay with a friend until this is done. These mental health clinicians are ugly and vicious and you will never see the full ugliness until you challenge their domination over you and thirst for money. The care more about power and subjugation than money, watch out, don't get irrational, but watch out during this time. Do positive things that are documented, like exercising at a gym, or volunteering, or anything so you have independent corroboration you are not psychotic. Do not share your fears or defensive actions with others, as they may talk to them and try to transform the words into symptoms. Be careful! Do not underestimate how horrible they all are.
 
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She sent me some of my documents per mail. I haven't received them yet. I wonder what is in them. I am not sure whether she escalates or whether she wants to calm me. I think she knows she is fucked if I report her. She already announced she will only send me summaries. But I thought before reporting her I need to verify first what she actually sent me. I will probably receive them tomorrow. I am extremely anxious. I am scared of geting a stroke or heart attack if I open the mail.
I am still determined to report her no matter what is in them. And I won't ask my psychiatrist for a second opinion at least when it comes to access of my medical records.

I try to act strategically. I called the same patient counsellor again. I wanted to ask him what to write when I report her for not giving me access to my medical records. How much context is needed. I feel like making a fool out of myself. But all of that is really important to me. He told me her excuses for not giving me access to my medical records are laughable. The dude tried to be as neutral as possible. But "it cannot be printed out" made even him chuckle.
 
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I am becoming increasingly more hypomanic. The argument with my former therapist was an extreme burden to my psyche. And now my mind is protesting.
It is paradoxic. Becoming hypomanic feels really good. I have more energy, better mood, but there are also massive mood swings.

I am scared to send the final warning to my therapist before reporting her. I am scared to do mistakes. But I worked really hard on it. WIthout handing in the report everything would be wasted. I have a strong hand. She made a lot of mistakes. But I am not sure whether I have the resilience for this battle. I will probably hand it in tomorrow. I simply have to overcome my fear.
 
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