SN and brain damage ??

[Zorya]

Hi,
The nurse I know claims that if you try SN method you could end up with brain damage and become a "plant" wallowing in your own filth.
I don't believe her, any thoughts please?

 

[Aap]

I would bet money the nurse is not at all familiar with SN intoxication. That said, ANY method carries this risk. Most of the failures do not report significant acute effects.

 

[metalgarurumon]

Well, some of the SN methods I know of can cause that sort of damage. It's just a risk you take.

 

[bigdog]

Well after I tried small amount I started to sleep worse I have read it is neurotoxic. I was thinking it is impossible to get anything from SN if you don't die

 

[Zorya]

Well after I tried small amount I started to sleep worse I have read it is neurotoxic. I was thinking it is impossible to get anything from SN if you don't die

Don't try small amounts, it's torment. Give this method up or go full speed with 20-25 grams.

 

[Emily123]

Any method that kills . it can cause brain damage if someone survive before the brain death

 

[rt1989526]

Well, some of the SN methods I know of can cause that sort of damage. It's just a risk you take.

There's more than one method?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Well, some of the SN methods I know of can cause that sort of damage. It's just a risk you take.

Allow me to ask you which variants of the SN methods you know
So far I have known drinking, rectally and intravenously

Don't try small amounts, it's torment. Give this method up or go full speed with 20-25 grams.

I took small doses several times and it was never torture.

Please only spread facts, no fairy tales

Well after I tried small amount I started to sleep worse I have read it is neurotoxic. I was thinking it is impossible to get anything from SN if you don't die

There are no medical reports that NS is neurotoxic.

Nitrite is also ingested in small amounts with food and has the same effect as "our" NS.

The body can reverse the effect with these small amounts.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Well, some of the SN methods I know of can cause that sort of damage. It's just a risk you take.

How many SN methods are there? Got documentation about there being other methods and about brain damage?

 

[nerve]

If anyone can provide any source suggesting this, I'd love to see it.

Good nurses are literal angels on earth and we don't deserve them, but I've found a lot of them are kind of know-it-alls who rely on their career to prop up their self-image.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have read it is neurotoxic.

Source?



So much bad information on this thread! Here's an antidote:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/

Edit: I take back my statement that there is so much bad information on this thread. It's a confusing thread, but maybe the argument is necessary. I'm one to remain skeptical and open and recommend the same to others, so I'll walk my talk. The biggest red flag I've seen here is saying there is more than one SN method.

 

[bigdog]

Нитрит натрия — Википедия

ru.m.wikipedia.org

токсичен (в больших количествах), нейротоксичен, является канцерогеном =
toxic (in large quantities), neurotoxic, carcinogenic

 

[mem12]

Well, some of the SN methods I know of can cause that sort of damage. It's just a risk you take.

What are you talking about???????

 

[Aap]

This. It gets overlooked at times that SN is a carcinogen and weak poison and can create people talking past each other when one is referring to long term exposure and another immediate.

 

[rt1989526]

This. It gets overlooked at times that SN is a carcinogen and weak poison and can create people talking past each other when one is referring to long term exposure and another immediate.

What does this mean?

 

[_Minsk]

if i got it right, sn decreases oxygen levels, so if you brain is not getting enough oxygen for prolonged time then it definitely can cause brain- or other organs to get damaged, or am i wrong?

 

[Anonymoussn]

This. It gets overlooked at times that SN is a carcinogen and weak poison and can create people talking past each other when one is referring to long term exposure and another immediate.

Long term exposure usually means repeated exposure to a chemical over a long period of time. Is this what you mean? If so, this has little relevance with regards to SN as a method, because nobody here would be intending to expose themselves to the chemical over a long period of time.

Also, do you have a source that SN is a carcinogen, because I've not heard this before.

if i got it right, sn decreases oxygen levels, so if you brain is not getting enough oxygen for prolonged time then it definitely can cause brain- or other organs to get damaged, or am i wrong?

SN does not deprive the body of oxygen, but individual cells. The brain continues to function, even with 30% oxygen level. There have been 0 cases of brain damage from SN reported, and there is 0 evidence that this can happen. Here is a thread on the topic:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-does-sn-not-cause-brain-damage.30339/

Any method that kills . it can cause brain damage if someone survive before the brain death

This simply isn't true of SN. Or at least there is 0 evidence supporting this. I challenge you to find a source stating this.

Well after I tried small amount I started to sleep worse I have read it is neurotoxic. I was thinking it is impossible to get anything from SN if you don't die

MRI scans have been performed on many patients, such as this one:

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

This patient for example had 92% methemoglobin levels (far more than the levels needed to kill) and survived with 0 neurological issues.

Your sleep issues are almost certainly being caused by something else.

 

[Aap]

Look, I admire you using the forum for research, but it's frankly it's not complete. First, the contention that brain damage simply isn't possible just misunderstands physiology and death. If something can kill by lowering pulse ox, it can cause brain damage, the same as suffocation, the same as hanging, the same as an opiate overdose. It certainly seems most cases have not resulted in this is a function of a very small sample size. It does not seem this is common, but to claim it isn't a possibility is incorrect.

do I have a source that SN is a carcinogen? Have you looked at the MSDS for SN? It's probably wasting my time, as if you wanted to find more information it takes 10 seconds to google, but here is a paper from the cdc.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp204-c3.pdf

I don't fully understand some of the general thinking here. On one hand SN is a lethal poison, and on the other people get up in arms when the suggestion is made that SN isn't harmless

 

[rt1989526]

Fair post Aap, agreed. The person must ensure they won't be found until they are completely gone.

 

[Anonymoussn]

Look, I admire you using the forum for research, but it's frankly it's not complete. First, the contention that brain damage simply isn't possible just misunderstands physiology and death. If something can kill by lowering pulse ox, it can cause brain damage, the same as suffocation, the same as hanging, the same as an opiate overdose. It certainly seems most cases have not resulted in this is a function of a very small sample size. It does not seem this is common, but to claim it isn't a possibility is incorrect.

do I have a source that SN is a carcinogen? Have you looked at the MSDS for SN? It's probably wasting my time, as if you wanted to find more information it takes 10 seconds to google, but here is a paper from the cdc.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp204-c3.pdf

With the evidence we have on this site, and from other sources, I'm confident we are in the hundreds of cases we have now, and we have no evidence of brain damage having occurred. I cant go as far as to say that it is completely 'impossible', (as very little is impossible in medicine) but that given the evidence we have the possibility is extremely small, if possible at all.

You are not wasting your time. For the record I did have a google after reading your comment to see what I could find. And thankyou for the source. I will have a read.

 

[Aap]

Respectfully, a hundred or two hundred cases is an extremely small sample size. How many opioid overdoses occur each year? How many cause brain damage?

is an opioid overdose capable of causing brain damage? You will rightfully be in the extreme minority if you say no. Do they do it frequently? No

I'm not sure why you are trying to argue this point. Anything that kills by oxygen deprivation can cause permanent neurologic impairment, even if rarely.

 

[rt1989526]

Basically there's a window for being found and "revived" but with brain damage. You must ensure you're not found to avoid this scenario.

 

[Anonymoussn]

Respectfully, a hundred or two hundred cases is an extremely small sample size. How many opioid overdoses occur each year? How many cause brain damage?

is an opioid overdose capable of causing brain damage? You will rightfully be in the extreme minority if you say no. Do they do it frequently? No

I'm not sure why you are trying to argue this point. Anything that kills by oxygen deprivation can cause permanent neurologic impairment, even if rarely.

I'm trying to argue that we have 0 cases suggesting any brain damage because OP asked about brain damage, and many of the comments on this thread are telling OP that it can, without focusing at all on the fact that this possibility is at the very least, close to 0.

You are not guilty of this and have articulated your points well. I just don't want threads like this to become a moral panic and deter people away from using SN and towards other, more dangerous methods, purely because they have only read 'SN can cause brain damage', without understanding that SN is from what evidence we have, one of the safest methods for avoiding brain damage. This is not the first thread like this this week alone, hence why I felt compelled to make this point.

I merely replied to your comment because you mentioned long term exposure, and I wouldn't say that is of relevance when people aren't on here for long term SN exposure. And also because you mentioned carcinogenics, and I'd not heard of this before so was interested to see if you have a source - which you have kindly provided.

 

[ZardozOmega]

We cannot 100% rule out the possibility of it happening, but every acute nitrite poisoning recorded in the medical literature has shown no brain damage. There are no published cases of it happening

 

[bigdog]

Seriously guys don't try if you don't want to suicide
I can't sleep for four days already and become even more depressed
I mean it is logical if sodium nitrite deprives brain out of oxygen
I definitely didn't become a plant but still
Experience itself was pretty pleasant dizziness, comfortable shortness of breathing and heartbeat.

 

[rt1989526]

Seriously guys don't try if you don't want to suicide
I can't sleep for four days already and become even more depressed
I mean it is logical if sodium nitrite deprives brain out of oxygen
I definitely didn't become a plant but still
Seriously guys don't try if you don't want to suicide
I can't sleep for four days already and become even more depressed
I mean it is logical if sodium nitrite deprives brain out of oxygen
But the experience itself was pretty pleasant dizziness, comfortable shortness of breathing and heartbeat.

Can you give us details? How much did you ingest?

 

[bigdog]

I don't know exactly something around maybe 2 or 3 gramm I just poured a bit on the tablespoon from the bottle can't measure precisely
But experience itself was quite good I repeat. I can classify it almost as high

 

[rt1989526]

I don't know exactly something around maybe 2 or 3 gramm I just poured a bit on the tablespoon from the bottle can't measure precisely
But experience itself was quite good I repeat. I can classify it almost as high

Interesting. Thank you for the information.

 

[I screwed up]

I thought SN was relatively safe in terms of long term effects if we fail but now after this thread I am super confused

 

[rt1989526]

I thought SN was relatively safe in terms of long term effects if we fail but now after this thread I am super confused

Basically it depends on if you're found and revived at a certain point. If nobody finds you you will pass away.