Let's brainstorm ways to expedite natural death

[Perpetually99]

For too many reason to list, I cannot CTB. And my death cannot even seem like a CTB. I have a CTB past attempt that only my immediate family knows about. They tell NO ONE because of the shame they feel. If I die in a way that even remotely seems like a suicide, they will suspect it.

I no longer want to be conscious. But am forced to. I have health issues that are debilitating but I am completely healthy on paper. I can go on suffering like this well into my 80s. I just want a terminal diagnosis that will give me a couple years. That's it. I had 2 close friends with similar health issues that ended up taking their own lives. The narrative about them after they died was horrifying. Totally did not do justice to the suffering they endured.

I'm sure this site has some inquisitive minds into how the body can break down over time. Let's put our minds together and figure this out:

HOW DO WE EXPEDITE NATURAL DEATH?

 

[WornOutLife]

I've heard some people can die from sadness and depression but it seems it's not my case lol.

I'm really sorry you're going through that.
Well, at least not all of your relatives, friends, workmates and so on know that you tried to ctb. In my case, a lot of people know and now they can't believe how I've managed to become a kinda "decent" human being again.

I'm still suicidal af, though.

Anyway, hope you can feel better soon, somehow.

Hugs and love,

Matt

 

[the_final_countdown]

Hey man, I totally understand sympathize about health conditions that seem okay on paper, but the lived reality is just chronic discomfort that drastically lowers the quality of your life.

Even something as "simple" as dry eyes doesn't sound bad, until you experience it and realize the horror of being in perpetual pain. And how much energy it takes away from every goal, thought, and activity you do.

It takes a lot of suffering to want to die. A lot.

I understand your plight.

 

[killedbypsychiatry]

I'm sorry about the position you are in :( I understand how awful it is not to be able to ctb and how I also reallyyy wish I got a terminal diagnosis. I really wish I knew a way to "induce" cancer or something but unfortunately I don't know.

The narrative about them after they died was horrifying. Totally did not do justice to the suffering they endured.

oh wow that's terrible :( may I ask what narrative did they made about them? (Was it probably something about them being selfish and ruining the lives of others?)
I really hate how much stigma there is around suicide. People who criticize suicidal people have clearly not suffered that much. If it weren't for pro life people we would probably have the right to euthanasia and it would be probably less hard on families...
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I've been googling ways to get cancer and most are stuff like "smoking, sun exposure, tanning beds, eating processed meat etc" but I think one could practically do that for years without getting anything, or never even developing it. I found a chemical that scientist use to induce tumors in mice but I guess it would be practically impossible to get and I'm not sure how painful or dangerous that would be...

 

[Wrennie]

I'm sorry about the position you are in :( I understand how awful it is not to be able to ctb and how I also reallyyy wish I got a terminal diagnosis. I really wish I knew a way to "induce" cancer or something but unfortunately I don't know.

oh wow that's terrible :( may I ask what narrative did they made about them? (Was it probably something about them being selfish and ruining the lives of others?)
I really hate how much stigma there is around suicide. People who criticize suicidal people have clearly not suffered that much. If it weren't for pro life people we would probably have the right to euthanasia and it would be probably less hard on families...
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I've been googling ways to get cancer and most are stuff like "smoking, sun exposure, tanning beds, eating processed meat etc" but I think one could practically do that for years without getting anything, or never even developing it. I found a chemical that scientist use to induce tumors in mice but I guess it would be practically impossible to get and I'm not sure how painful or dangerous that would be...

I just want to chug some RoundUp and let the cancer flow through my veins

 

[motel rooms]

Well, you could start by eating SAD (Standard American Diet). Gradually eliminate all vegetables & put increasing amounts of sugar & butter in absolutely everything. Smoke like a chimney, drink like a fish. Stop walking. Order your water from Flint, Michigan. Move to an especially polluted part of West Virginia.

 

[Rayzieka]

Yea sun exposure will do it if you've got the skin type.
Live somewhere with poor air quality or get a job that exposes you to asbestos can do it too.

 

[the_final_countdown]

Cancer is a very, very painful and morbid way to die.

Imagine all the problems and depression you have now compounded by a body in perpetual pain and discomfort.

You could live for years that way.

"I would deny chemotherapy and radiation."

Maybe. But after a few days of excruciating pain, you'd likely opt for surgery, because the opioids aren't doing anything and you keep vomiting orange goo and hallucinating.

 

[LoupDeFeu]

Go rock climbing and have an "accident"?

 

[killedbypsychiatry]

Cancer is a very, very painful and morbid way to die.

Imagine all the problems and depression you have now compounded by a body in perpetual pain and discomfort.

You could live for years that way.

"I would deny chemotherapy and radiation."

Maybe. But after a few days of excruciating pain, you'd likely opt for surgery, because the opioids aren't doing anything and you keep vomiting orange goo and hallucinating.

you're right :( at least maybe it will make Dignitas or Pegasos more likely to accept us

 

[Wrennie]

you're right :( at least maybe it will make Dignitas or Pegasos more likely to accept us

My thoughts exactly!

Though I'd stick with Pegasos personally. Dignitas' approval process is too unrealistically complex In both cost and duration.

 

[greyhound]

I'm sorry to hear you are in this position. I am also chronically ill but unlikely to die from it. What is your condition if you don't mind me asking?

I think your most likely bet to fake a 'natural' death would be drug overdose with fentanyl or other synthetic opiate (if you're in North America anyway). It's the most statistically likely if you're young and 'healthy' by conventional standards. Car accident would be tough I think to fake and make it look real enough for the cops to believe (and also not harm anyone else).

The other possibility would be to pay someone to kill you and make it look like a robbery gone wrong. I wouldn't know where to begin with this one but I'm sure for like $10k someone out there would be willing to do it. There was also that guy who shot himself and had the gun tied to a helium balloon. That is pretty genius although he wasn't smart enough to cover his tracks and they saw that he ordered helium.

Staging some sort of accident like hiking could be doable. The problem is that most accidental deaths are going to be painful and not the peaceful death most on here want.

 

[Perpetually99]

I'm sorry about the position you are in :( I understand how awful it is not to be able to ctb and how I also reallyyy wish I got a terminal diagnosis. I really wish I knew a way to "induce" cancer or something but unfortunately I don't know.

oh wow that's terrible :( may I ask what narrative did they made about them? (Was it probably something about them being selfish and ruining the lives of others?)
I really hate how much stigma there is around suicide. People who criticize suicidal people have clearly not suffered that much. If it weren't for pro life people we would probably have the right to euthanasia and it would be probably less hard on families...
——————-
I've been googling ways to get cancer and most are stuff like "smoking, sun exposure, tanning beds, eating processed meat etc" but I think one could practically do that for years without getting anything, or never even developing it. I found a chemical that scientist use to induce tumors in mice but I guess it would be practically impossible to get and I'm not sure how painful or dangerous that would be...

One of my friends who took their own lives had persistent debilitating health issues for a decade and then she got pregnant. She couldn't care for her son properly and felt trapped. After she CTBed people called her selfish.

My other friend had chronic fatigue so bad he completely dejected from society. His parents hospitalized him in the psych ward. He got worse and worse because of that. When he was released he CTBed and his parents thought it was from improper psychiatric care. When in reality it was the psych ward that pushed him over the edge. They would say things like "What came first the chicken or the egg". The mental disease or the physical disease.

No real compassion.

 

[LifeQuitter2018]

Yeah I totally sympathize with you and I've been searching this one too.
I've read some young people got SCD ( Sudden Cardiac Death) due to heavy caffein consumption, but apparently that doesn't work for everyone. Some members on this forum have tried to drink multiples can of Monster energy per day and nothing happen to them.

Also there're some poisonous plants that can cause a heart attack and if the autopsy is done poorly there's a chance that they won't know what you did.

 

[motel rooms]

After she CTBed people called her selfish.

They would say things like "What came first the chicken or the egg". The mental disease or the physical disease. No real compassion.

You were their real friend & you understand why they ctb. Most people will never get it, no one can change that. All you can do is stop giving a fuck about the disgusting drivel that comes out of their constantly open mouths

 

[the_final_countdown]

One of my friends who took their own lives had persistent debilitating health issues for a decade and then she got pregnant. She couldn't care for her son properly and felt trapped. After she CTBed people called her selfish.

My other friend had chronic fatigue so bad he completely dejected from society. His parents hospitalized him in the psych ward. He got worse and worse because of that. When he was released he CTBed and his parents thought it was from improper psychiatric care. When in reality it was the psych ward that pushed him over the edge. They would say things like "What came first the chicken or the egg". The mental disease or the physical disease.

No real compassion.

I understand the pain of what looks like invisible disability.

I used to be hard working. More so than anybody in my family. Gym. Studying. Programming. Disciplined.


But chronic health issues make it difficult to even function. And despite that, everybody seems to think I'm mildly depressed.

It's sort of insane. Not all my symptoms show up on tests, because there are no tests for the dysfunction I have, but I have MRI scans showing damage to my optical nerves. Confirmed by neurologists. It's like, I can't be making that part up. And it's a smaller subset of the problems I actually have.

Now I've read enough stories about people to know how common this is. Whether it's cancer, a car accident, or an unknown disease. It happens all the time.

I know what comes next: A sort of perpetual fall from grace until homelessness kicks in and then maybe 7 years later, eventual suicide.

Ive done a good job of sort of accepting my fate. I understand these things happen. No bitterness about what was "lost".

But it really is a bitch to deal with and I'd like to die with dignity now. I'm ready in one sense although part of my brain doesn't seem to agree.

 

[Sslsh]

Thank evolution for the fact that it's not easy to hasten normal death. Even with the most unhealthy lifestyle, we're looking at a slow painful death dragging on for decades

 

[motel rooms]

For too many reason to list, I cannot CTB.

HOW DO WE EXPEDITE NATURAL DEATH?

I see this is the second time you've started this type of thread. Just how much are you willing to suffer in order to expedite your natural death? There are a lot of things you could do to destroy your health, but they all involve enduring quite a bit of prolonged pain before you die

 

[Pookie]

Go find a nice place to swim.

Man's body 'dissolved' by Yellowstone hot spring after seeking place to swim

Colin Scott, 23, was looking for a ‘hot pot’ to swim in with his sister and rescuers concluded that extreme heat and acidity dissolved remains

www.theguardian.com

 

[motel rooms]

Go find a nice place to swim.

@Perpetually99 I can't believe I forgot to mention shallow water blackout! It's a great, painless method that can pass as accidental -

https://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/how-it-happens

 

[Pookie]

@Perpetually99 I can't believe I forgot to mention shallow water blackout! It's a great, painless method that can pass as accidental -

https://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/how-it-happens

That's your chosen method, right?

 

[motel rooms]

That's your chosen method, right?

Yes. I can't believe I forgot to recommend it

 

[Tonight634]

Hey man, I totally understand sympathize about health conditions that seem okay on paper, but the lived reality is just chronic discomfort that drastically lowers the quality of your life.

Even something as "simple" as dry eyes doesn't sound bad, until you experience it and realize the horror of being in perpetual pain. And how much energy it takes away from every goal, thought, and activity you do.

It takes a lot of suffering to want to die. A lot.

I understand your plight.

The dry eyes one oh my god, almost two years ago I was studying kanjo on my computer everyday and it gave me some eyelid inflammation, basically there are some canals in your eyelids that keep your eyes moisturized but mine got clogged and for the first two weeks I could barely keep them open, it's not completely gone I still can feel it, you can't really get rid of it. It's horrible. I can function yes but it'll never be like it used to be before and it sucks.

 

[FuneralCry]

I wish there was a button you can press to end your life. The body can break down but we can remain conscious in a state of misery for years. We can get so many health problems that do not kill us but make us suffer. I dread old age. Life really can be a prison. I guess an unhealthy lifestyle could make us die sooner I guess.

 

[BlankUser]

It's like a type of a slow suicide??? It just gives more pain and suffering. And damaging your health doesn't guarantee your exit. It can make a miserable existence even more miserable.
But I understand you. I know how it feels wanting to end the pain. You are willing to try the stupidest methods that don't solve anything:(

 

[LoupDeFeu]

I agree with BlankUser. A lot of these methods would take time, pain, and there are no guarantees they would even have results.
Other people have told me they didn't want anyone to know they ctb intentionally but instead of trying to slowly kill themselves, they chose to disappear/cut off contact so their family could stay in denial if they chose. If your family's response to your death is shame more than grief, then personally I would cut off contact and say to hell with them.

 

[Perpetually99]

I agree with BlankUser. A lot of these methods would take time, pain, and there are no guarantees they would even have results.
Other people have told me they didn't want anyone to know they ctb intentionally but instead of trying to slowly kill themselves, they chose to disappear/cut off contact so their family could stay in denial if they chose. If your family's response to your death is shame more than grief, then personally I would cut off contact and say to hell with them.

This is my plan. But you can only hide out for so long. Because of my past suicide attempt, if they can't contact me or know where I am, they will assume I CTBed. I've always wanted to go far away to somewhere like New Zealand.

 

[Hankadelic]

Oh, if only there were a way to will ourselves to just die!! I have tried, when under great stress, with an intensely beating heart, to will myself to simply have a heart attack and be gone quickly. Unfortunately, if it were that easy, none of us would be here on this forum!!

 

[Billgatesbanunga]

Yeah I totally sympathize with you and I've been searching this one too.
I've read some young people got SCD ( Sudden Cardiac Death) due to heavy caffein consumption, but apparently that doesn't work for everyone. Some members on this forum have tried to drink multiples can of Monster energy per day and nothing happen to them.

Also there're some poisonous plants that can cause a heart attack and if the autopsy is done poorly there's a chance that they won't know what you did.

I am also searching a way like this from quite some time, that can induce an SCA in my body but didn't find anything yet