I am thankful for Biden supporting Ukraine

[noname223]

Without a doubt not every American politician would have helped Ukraine in this magnitude. I know the Americans are sick of new wars but in this case it is an action of defence. The US leftwing bubble I usually support is very much against Biden in this instance. Personally I fully support him for that. On the other hand it is not my tax money. I am not a US-citizen. But I think my government should give Ukraine more support.

I mean more military and financial help. However I think it was the right decision to still buy the gas from Russia. Germany's economy will be extremely fucked without it. And when the economy declines dramatically there will be less support of the people concerning the Ukraien crisis. Strategically it was the right decision. But we should give way more of our tanks etc to Ukraine. The German government act cowardly.

 

[112]

It should not be seen as a partisan issue. To speak of the "West"/NATO generally as opposed to the U.S. particularly, they have handled the war intelligently and with respect for all potentialities which could emerge depending on the nature of their response. It's funny in a very sad way when Ukraine does not receive military aid from any Western powers, but supplying food, ammunitions, vehicles, equipment and other items as opposed to entering the conflict directly was absolutely the most sensible play at the time and also now with some degree of retrospect. I think you realistically will but reasonably should not find many people who disagree with the substance of the U.S. response on either side of the political dichotomy down there. Biden or the other guy, it is sensible and to the benefit of the U.S. institution to support Ukraine without deploying troops. It is also an excuse to continue to raise military spending year-over-year.

Germany should not have let themselves become so dependent on Russian oil and the pipeline should have been anticipated as a geopolitical issue by more parties and internally by the German government. I mean, there's video of Donald Trump (when he was President) sitting down with German ambassadors/diplomats and asking them about the pipeline, remarking that it was stupid and should be addressed diligently. I am not sure how to navigate the problem now that it's too late and the war is already six months in, but it was absolutely a preventable issue and it's Germany's fault for arranging their imports in such a way as to be energy-dependent on a questionable and aggressive foreign power and nation.

 

[Unhirable]

I am the complete opposite.

First off, Ukraine is a corrupt shithole of a country. (The people there are fine, but it is objectively a United States controlled state designed for the sole purpose of laundering money in Eastern Europe and fucking with Russia).

Secondly, Biden just giving away free money ONLY CONTINUES THE SUFFERING.

The only thing happening with biden "supporting" Ukraine is more Ukrainians and Russians dying unnecessarily. Yes, if Putin won things would be 5% shittier MAYBE for people in Ukraine, and America would take an L from their biggest enemy. It's better than the alternative.

STOP FALLING for the obvious propaganda from the United States.

 

[noname223]

I am the complete opposite.

First off, Ukraine is a corrupt shithole of a country. (The people there are fine, but it is objectively a United States controlled state designed for the sole purpose of laundering money in Eastern Europe and fucking with Russia).

Secondly, Biden just giving away free money ONLY CONTINUES THE SUFFERING.

The only thing happening with biden "supporting" Ukraine is more Ukrainians and Russians dying unnecessarily. Yes, if Putin won things would be 5% shittier MAYBE for people in Ukraine, and America would take an L from their biggest enemy. It's better than the alternative.

STOP FALLING for the obvious propaganda from the United States.

Personally I strongly disagree of what you have said. Also with a lot what you have written in other threats of mine. But that is fine. I am too lazy for long debates they can be quite exhaustive.

First of all I don't think the Ukraine was a shit hole of country. It has its problems but its flaws pale in comparison to the current state of Russia. Russia which started a war against its innocent neighbor and now the soldiers commit systematically disgusting war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I never bought the "we prolong the suffering" framing. It is similar to saying we should not have fought against the Nazis in WW2 it just prolonged the suffering.
Ukraine has proven that they are capable of winning battles. Putin can not be appeased. He is greedy. First he took Crimea, then he was not even satisfied with East Ukraine instead he wanted to conquer the Ukraine as a whole. This disgusting man would not stop. He is a megalomaninac who wants to revive the Soviet Union. We have to show strength otherwise he does not respect us.

I rather think your points represent the Kremlin propaganda. Though I doubt we will come to a compromise. And gladly we don't have to.

 

[Unhirable]

Personally I strongly disagree of what you have said. Also with a lot what you have written in other threats of mine. But that is fine. I am too lazy for long debates they can be quite exhaustive.

First of all I don't think the Ukraine was a shit hole of country. It has its problems but its flaws pale in comparison to the current state of Russia. Russia which started a war against its innocent neighbor and now the soldiers commit systematically disgusting war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I never bought the "we prolong the suffering" framing. It is similar to saying we should not have fought against the Nazis in WW2 it just prolonged the suffering.
Ukraine has proven that they are capable of winning battles. Putin can not be appeased. He is greedy. First he took Crimea, then he was not even satisfied with East Ukraine instead he wanted to conquer the Ukraine as a whole. This disgusting man would not stop. He is a megalomaninac who wants to revive the Soviet Union. We have to show strength otherwise he does not respect us.

I rather think your points represent the Kremlin propaganda. Though I doubt we will come to a compromise. And gladly we don't have to.

Ukraine has not proven they are capable of winning battles without the aid of United States and other countries. They were going to surrender and reach an agreement with Russia but the United States stepped in and gave more money.

"Putin can not be appeased. He is greedy"
Say's who? Seriously, you just made some shit up and are saying it as a fact.

I don't like Russia either but you have to stop the good guy vs bad guy narrative. It's more complex. (Some) Russians are supporting the war because having Ukraine (or at least part of it) would be economically benefitical for Russia.

Also, are you really working towards a PHD? I think you need to do more research on a foreign war if you want to talk about it with such conviction. You don't live there (to my knowledge) and your information comes from pro-Ukraine sources... which is fine, but it just needs to be kept in mind.

You really think Ukraine and the United States aren't pumping out propaganda? Such as Putin being "greedy" or "unappeasable."

 

[noname223]

Ukraine has not proven they are capable of winning battles without the aid of United States and other countries. They were going to surrender and reach an agreement with Russia but the United States stepped in and gave more money.

"Putin can not be appeased. He is greedy"
Say's who? Seriously, you just made some shit up and are saying it as a fact.

I don't like Russia either but you have to stop the good guy vs bad guy narrative. It's more complex. (Some) Russians are supporting the war because having Ukraine (or at least part of it) would be economically benefitical for Russia.

Also, are you really working towards a PHD? I think you need to do more research on a foreign war if you want to talk about it with such conviction. You don't live there (to my knowledge) and your information comes from pro-Ukraine sources... which is fine, but it just needs to be kept in mind.

You really think Ukraine and the United States aren't pumping out propaganda? Such as Putin being "greedy" or "unappeasable."

You don't know my sources.

Yes Ukraine relies on support. Currently they won a lot of battles which suprised many analysts. If we now support them fully they can give Russia a huge setback. I think Russia might use a nuke against them. It is unlikely but it is a real danger. There has to be a way out for Putin without damaging his reputation. And the conditions for a peace contract have to be in favor of Ukraine. They can only negotiate well when they are in a position of strength.

Putin's action reveal that (his greed) otherwise he would have not invaded the whole Ukraine which was military a huge mistake.

I think there are also war crimes on the side of Ukraine. But pretending they were similar bad is just a false balance. Sometimes a centrist position is simply wrong and does not represent reality.

You don't really know my job nor my education.This also applies to the sources where I can get my information. Today I listened for example to Noam Chomsky who is in my opinion too much in favor of appeasing Russia. I also read the argumentation of other intellectuals on this topic. I listened to both sides. And concluded the centrist position on this topic is simply wrong.

I think the truth dies first in every war. Not sure whether this idiom also exists in the English language. I think there is propaganda from Ukraine and also from the US. Though less than on the Russian side. Moreover the points which I made don't represent pro-Ukraine propaganda. At least this is my conclusion. I am quite sure we won't find a compromise on this one.

 

[Raskolnikov's Axe]

US has ulterior motives to weaken Russia. Not that I support Russia or it's predecessor which has been rotting since the 1930's, but Ukraine is ran by the same type of oligarchs like Russia.

 

[progeria]

I am the complete opposite.

First off, Ukraine is a corrupt shithole of a country. (The people there are fine, but it is objectively a United States controlled state designed for the sole purpose of laundering money in Eastern Europe and fucking with Russia).

Secondly, Biden just giving away free money ONLY CONTINUES THE SUFFERING.

The only thing happening with biden "supporting" Ukraine is more Ukrainians and Russians dying unnecessarily. Yes, if Putin won things would be 5% shittier MAYBE for people in Ukraine, and America would take an L from their biggest enemy. It's better than the alternative.

STOP FALLING for the obvious propaganda from the United States.

I think you are wrong. Every country of the former USSR is a corrupt hole, but this does not mean that they are puppets of the USA. Look at the same Kazakhstan, where the president renamed the capital after himself and has a lot of illegal construction, but now Kazakhstan is slowly siding with China.
In Ukraine, unlike other post-Soviet countries, it was not possible to establish a single dictatorship, and it is precisely this event that stimulates Ukraine to carry out anti-corruption reforms

Personally I strongly disagree of what you have said. Also with a lot what you have written in other threats of mine. But that is fine. I am too lazy for long debates they can be quite exhaustive.

First of all I don't think the Ukraine was a shit hole of country. It has its problems but its flaws pale in comparison to the current state of Russia. Russia which started a war against its innocent neighbor and now the soldiers commit systematically disgusting war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I never bought the "we prolong the suffering" framing. It is similar to saying we should not have fought against the Nazis in WW2 it just prolonged the suffering.
Ukraine has proven that they are capable of winning battles. Putin can not be appeased. He is greedy. First he took Crimea, then he was not even satisfied with East Ukraine instead he wanted to conquer the Ukraine as a whole. This disgusting man would not stop. He is a megalomaninac who wants to revive the Soviet Union. We have to show strength otherwise he does not respect us.

I rather think your points represent the Kremlin propaganda. Though I doubt we will come to a compromise. And gladly we don't have to.

I think that it is beneficial for the West to prolong this war as much as possible, because if they gave at least 1% of all Western weapons, the war would have ended a long time ago. The small Baltic countries gave many times more aid than the USA

 

[Maudlin]

Though it doesn't carry the weight of US law, The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994 gave the word of my country, and it's nice to see the attempt to try and keep it.

That said, enough is enough. I don't know if, when that agreement was reached, the plan was always to back a coup and begin a pogrom against Russian speaking Ukrainians in order to entice a war with Russia, but the more I investigate the dates and the foundations and the actors involved in that mess it seems as though that was the plan for quite some time.

At this point it seems too many lives are paying the cost for this mess. Do the Europeans enjoy their gas prices? Do farmers the world over enjoy their fertilizer costs? How many lives will be lost to the elements and starvation in the next two or three years? How this ends is anyones' guess.

All I know is anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about or why it's pertinent has no business in a ballot box. Not that I believe voting matters, anymore- but at least once or twice in my lifetime it seemed it did. Now it's a sham of a mockery.

We will all be lucky to make it out of this mess alive. Folks on this website won't have to worry long about sources of SN... death is much closer to all of us thanks to those responsible for this Ukraine fiasco.

 

[Maudlin]

Thought I might add:


Not everything is "Russian Propaganda". The west has its' own effective propaganda campaigns, as well.

Thoughts? Anyone?

 

[noname223]

It is true Ukraine has a problem with corruption. Though in corruption rankings Russia is even worse.
But this is not my main argument.

It is also true that there are neo-nazis fighting for Ukraine. For example the Asow regiment. However the neo-nazi problem is in a different dimension in Russia due to the fact Putin is a fascist. He reads and quotes right-wing extremists in his speeches. His whole ideology is influenced by neo-fascist philosophers.

But it is true truth is the first victim in each war. Both sides give a certain framing to the events.

But for me this does not change the fact that Russia started this war. Putin has for me like 90% responsibility for this war. He was even so megalomaniac and greedy to start a war against the whole Ukraine which was strategically a huge mistake. If he just invaded eastern parts of Ukraine the West might would not have intervened this much in this conflict. Putin will be remembered as an insane and greedy dictator in history. In case he uses nukes he will be in the same category as Hitler or Stalin for sure.

 

[Maudlin]

Putin is a fascist.

Well, he certainly is a dictator... But fascist? Well, I guess that depends on what you think that word means. It certainly seems "in vogue" to call things fascist now days, among a certain segment of the population.

Nevertheless, he was instrumental in bringing Russia out of the depths of one of the worst times in her long history, and he is beloved by many for it. This according to friends and former business colleagues of mine
both in Russia, and in a former Ukrainian territory, now a part of Russia.

truth is the first victim in each war

You can sure say that again! I can barely believe the height of the pile of BS I've seen from both sides!

It's sad, though. It seems all to many people are eagerly convinced by such propaganda, and few are truly informed at all about any of it. It disgusted me to see eager young idiots piling into reddit channels, finding ways to go over there and fight when they had not the slightest clue what is actually going on. Such is the fate of mercenaries, as it has always been, I guess.

this does not change the fact that Russia started this war.

It's curious you would say that. I suspect you're under the impression this war started in February, this year... that's what mainstream media and much of social media has trained everyone to say. The question is so much more complex than that. Are you even aware of the civil war that has been raging in Ukraine since 2014? Or, Euromaidan? Do you know any of the history of Ukrainian politics since the The Budapest Memorandum? I'd bet you don't.

Yet still you have a seemingly strong opinion on current events. Why is that? Could it be you just want to be on "the right side of history"? Are you being influenced by a narrative... or are you trying to influence one?
I wonder. I'd love to read anything you'd care to write about it.

I know a couple in a territory that was once, until recently, Ukraine. I know a few people living in various Russian cities. All these folks I met in the early 1990's, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union. All were desperate... all survived a societal collapse unlike any the western world has seen since the second world war. They are all industrious people... we were able to do business that likely kept them from starvation. To me, it was little worth it, financially... to them, it was life.

Did you know a verbal offer was made to Boris Yeltsin during the Clinton Administration, to join NATO? Did you know promises were made to not expand NATO? Both these things really happened. Not propaganda from either side- just one side lying to the other. Why? Why wasn't enough importance placed on either of these overtures to give them the (non US law backed) status of the The Budapest Memorandum? Your guess is as good as mine, here. Just know that what is happening right now in Ukraine effects the entire planet, has been planned for a long time in its' entirety, and is completely unnecessary. Russia has more standing in this heinous conflict than the US does, and yet we all... the population of every NATO country, and every CIS country are paying for it now and may pay mightily before it is over.

Thank you for your response. I look forward to the next one. Our politics don't match, but I like reading your posts. Often, for me it is "food for thought".

 

[noname223]

Well, he certainly is a dictator... But fascist? Well, I guess that depends on what you think that word means. It certainly seems "in vogue" to call things fascist now days, among a certain segment of the population.

Nevertheless, he was instrumental in bringing Russia out of the depths of one of the worst times in her long history, and he is beloved by many for it. This according to friends and former business colleagues of mine
both in Russia, and in a former Ukrainian territory, now a part of Russia.


You can sure say that again! I can barely believe the height of the pile of BS I've seen from both sides!

It's sad, though. It seems all to many people are eagerly convinced by such propaganda, and few are truly informed at all about any of it. It disgusted me to see eager young idiots piling into reddit channels, finding ways to go over there and fight when they had not the slightest clue what is actually going on. Such is the fate of mercenaries, as it has always been, I guess.


It's curious you would say that. I suspect you're under the impression this war started in February, this year... that's what mainstream media and much of social media has trained everyone to say. The question is so much more complex than that. Are you even aware of the civil war that has been raging in Ukraine since 2014? Or, Euromaidan? Do you know any of the history of Ukrainian politics since the The Budapest Memorandum? I'd bet you don't.

Yet still you have a seemingly strong opinion on current events. Why is that? Could it be you just want to be on "the right side of history"? Are you being influenced by a narrative... or are you trying to influence one?
I wonder. I'd love to read anything you'd care to write about it.

I know a couple in a territory that was once, until recently, Ukraine. I know a few people living in various Russian cities. All these folks I met in the early 1990's, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union. All were desperate... all survived a societal collapse unlike any the western world has seen since the second world war. They are all industrious people... we were able to do business that likely kept them from starvation. To me, it was little worth it, financially... to them, it was life.

Did you know a verbal offer was made to Boris Yeltsin during the Clinton Administration, to join NATO? Did you know promises were made to not expand NATO? Both these things really happened. Not propaganda from either side- just one side lying to the other. Why? Why wasn't enough importance placed on either of these overtures to give them the (non US law backed) status of the The Budapest Memorandum? Your guess is as good as mine, here. Just know that what is happening right now in Ukraine effects the entire planet, has been planned for a long time in its' entirety, and is completely unnecessary. Russia has more standing in this heinous conflict than the US does, and yet we all... the population of every NATO country, and every CIS country are paying for it now and may pay mightily before it is over.

Thank you for your response. I look forward to the next one. Our politics don't match, but I like reading your posts. Often, for me it is "food for thought".

I know about Euromaidan, the promise not to expand NATO. But I have not heard of a civil war in Ukraine. I think my understanding is rather that it is a war between Ukraine and Russia from the beginning on.

The promise not to expand NATO is quite complex. I don't know all the details anymore. Furthermore there are some contradicting statement from people who were involved. I think there was probably a verbal one though.
But for me this is no excuse for invading a country. The alleged discrimination of Russian speaking Ukrainian is a cheap excuse for that.

 

[Maudlin]

for me this is no excuse for invading a country.

But, entering a pre-existing conflict on the side of people who have been begging for your help for 8 years is something you never considered... because you believe the propaganda, and the propagandists never even alluded to the fact the civil war had been raging since Euromaidan, which you claim to know about.

Ukraine's Bloody Civil War: No End in Sight

Ukraine is falling apart at the seams...

nationalinterest.org

Check the dates.

The alleged discrimination of Russian speaking Ukrainian is a cheap excuse for that.

Ukraine has been shelling civilians for the last 8 years. Alleged? lol. From 2016, UN:

UN report on 2014-16 killings in Ukraine highlights “rampant impunity”

Russian | Ukranian GENEVA/KYIV (14 July 2016) – A new UN report released Thursday describes the widespread killings that have taken place in Ukraine since January 2014 and highlights the very limited accountability that has taken place.

www.ohchr.org

Russian news sources have reported on it the whole time. The west? Not so much. Of course, if I link any of dozens of Russian outlets, you'd say: "Russian Propaganda!" because that's what they taught you to say.
But, ok... let's say everything for the last 8 years about the civil war in Ukraine that you never even heard was happening is only propaganda. Look at the date on the link above, again. Those civilians must have been dying of spontaneous human combustion, I guess. lol

Look up "azov crucifixion video" sometime, if you want to be sick to your stomach. There are many torture videos floating around the net of Ukrainian "soldiers" doing vile things to noncombatants. The "crucifixion" pales in comparison to many of them. Perhaps they're staged, though. I wouldn't know, I wasn't there... but the first ones I noticed were posted in 2015, and they were nonstop until Putin moved his 200k in last February. For a while, it seemed groups like Right Sector and Azov were trying to out-do Al-Qaeda and Isis with their beheading videos online.

Hate Russian-speakers if you want to. For me, it's hard to hate grandmothers who were raped, murdered and impaled on broomsticks and posed so some wanna-be nazis could get a "look how tough I am" photo op. War is hell, OP. Civil wars are among the most hellish. Remember Yugoslavia? lol.

"Alleged"... hmph. Don't make me laugh.

I got 8 years of stories direct from good folks on the ground there that would make your hair curl, and turn white.

The promise not to expand NATO is quite complex. I don't know all the details anymore. Furthermore there are some contradicting statement from people who were involved. I think there was probably a verbal one though.

Not really all that complex. Lies told, plain and simple. They lied to Gorbachev about it, too:

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

Spend some cash, and learn a bit about the history I remember, before you take sides on it... after all, it is pertinent to the events of today:

Not One Inch

A leading expert on foreign policy reveals how tensions between America, NATO, and Russia transformed geopolitics ● A Foreign Affairs Best Book of 2021 and...

yalebooks.yale.edu

At the same time the snakes were promising the old drunk Yeltsin we wouldn't expand NATO and that Russia could join (direct contradiction, go figure), back here at home the same people were pushing for NATO expansion. They never intended to keep their word:

4/23/97 Albright Testimony on NATO Enlargement

5/15/97 Fact Sheet: NATO-Russia Founding Act

Again, check the dates. The conversation at the time was quite lively:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20097504

The players involved in this deadly "game" you are so eager to take a side in are among the most intelligent and cunning in human history. They plan ahead decades, and they bide their time massaging world events and opinions to bring about outcomes favorable to them. They care nothing for the lives of the masses.

Learn from them.

Think of the foresight it took to establish a "charitable foundation" the year before the collapse of the Soviet Union, that stands and sways events not just through the turmoil of those times- the collapse of one sovereign nation, through the creation of another sovereign nation, to still manipulate events and opinions today (including your own opinion, that you expressed in this thread):

https://www.irf.ua/en/

The man responsible for forming that foundation was famous in my youth for "Breaking the bank of England". In truth, he broke many central banks... and became a wanted man in many nations for it. He was also famous for his time, as a jew, working for actual nazis:



Rewind that to about the 7 minute mark, and listen again. Could you do that?

Indeed, the people of Ukraine (in its' current incarnation) and now the people of the world are simply mice, toyed with by a herd of cats.







I spent the first half of my life terrified that the Soviet Union and the United States would blast each other off the map, taking the rest of the world with it. I had an all too brief period starting in the 1990's when I believed things could be all right, until I learned (the hard way) my political class wasn't working on my behalf. I've payed attention to this particular situation, as it developed, for decades. I tried to manipulate it for the better in some small way, and made lifelong friends in the process.

Things are always more complex than the narratives handed to you would have you believe.
The "left" and the "right" take advantage of naivete. In truth, both exist simply to divide us, and distract from reality. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis is (and has always been) the way to move masses.

 

[newave3]

The Great Tucker Carlson on the war in Ukraine.

 

[Maudlin]

The Great Tucker Carlson on the war in Ukraine.

Zelensky (the clown) running his head about nukes is what led Putin to commit, to begin with.

Ukraine may seek nuclear weapons if left out of NATO: Diplomat

Kyiv’s ambassador to Germany calls on the transatlantic security alliance to grant Ukraine long-sought membership.

www.aljazeera.com

He runs his head on Feb. 20th, gets hammered on the 24th. What an asshole.

Ukraine Threatens to Renounce Its Non-Nuclear Status | Farsnews Agency

Way to be a "servant of the people", Zelensky. I guess he thought he was still doing a sitcom.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2022/03/22/servant-of-the-people-zelensky-netflix-show/

Nothing funny about him, now. Now he's a tool responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, and it looks like he might get a chance to put Stalins' or Maos' high score to shame before it's through.

I'm glad more folks are paying attention to ol' Tucker. He's good for saying the quiet part out loud, most of the time. He's one of the few on FOX that I can tolerate. He should have ditched the bowtie earlier, though. lol.



Nobody can take seriously a man who wears such a monstrosity. lol

 

[vexxed]

Well, he certainly is a dictator... But fascist? Well, I guess that depends on what you think that word means. It certainly seems "in vogue" to call things fascist now days, among a certain segment of the population.

Putin himself cites Ivan Ilyan as one of his main political influences, Ivan is one of the founders of the original fascist ideology.

an article on the subject: https://www.nybooks.com/online/2018/03/16/ivan-ilyin-putins-philosopher-of-russian-fascism/

 

[noname223]

Zelensky (the clown) running his head about nukes is what led Putin to commit, to begin with.

Ukraine may seek nuclear weapons if left out of NATO: Diplomat

Kyiv’s ambassador to Germany calls on the transatlantic security alliance to grant Ukraine long-sought membership.

www.aljazeera.com

He runs his head on Feb. 20th, gets hammered on the 24th. What an asshole.

Ukraine Threatens to Renounce Its Non-Nuclear Status | Farsnews Agency

Way to be a "servant of the people", Zelensky. I guess he thought he was still doing a sitcom.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2022/03/22/servant-of-the-people-zelensky-netflix-show/

Nothing funny about him, now. Now he's a tool responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, and it looks like he might get a chance to put Stalins' or Maos' high score to shame before it's through.

I'm glad more folks are paying attention to ol' Tucker. He's good for saying the quiet part out loud, most of the time. He's one of the few on FOX that I can tolerate. He should have ditched the bowtie earlier, though. lol.

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Nobody can take seriously a man who wears such a monstrosity. lol

I don't really have the time or motivation to dive into all sources you laid out.

For example the National interest magazine does not seem to be convincing for me. It is largely influenced by the scholar tradition of realism. The explanations of realist scholars like Mearsheimer did not seem to be convincing for me when he talked about the war. Though you would probably like his explanations.

I think it is interesting that you two complimented Tucker Carlson. He is a very good example how western countries differ to Russia. You two are allowed to speak freely without legal punishment because of your beliefs on this war. Tucker does that in front of an audience of several million Americans on a regular basis.

In Russia instead the people were locked up for calling this "special operation" a war. There is a lot of video footage of that. People who were in public places with a sign "Stop this war". The police brutally arrested them and many were threatened or even physically abused for stating this fact. You can call it an opinion if you want. Can you imagine an influential Russian commentator on Russian TV who states the arguments of the West? In Russian TV shows there are often actors who take that role. They are ridiculed and made fun of. They are figures of fun.

Tucker instead earns million of dollars due to his show. He is loved by millions of people. He enjoys freedom of speech. And this is something the Russian population only can dream of. Also scholars like Mearsheimer who give the contrarian position are also oppressed in Russia. (I mean by that contrarian people in Russia. Their contrarian position is obviously very different to Mearsheimers position. Mearsheimer makes a case that the West is largely responsible for this confilct. In Russia contrarians people give the arguments in favor the West instead.)

So you can insist on your position that Ukraine and the allegedly evil West is responsible for this war. There will be no legal punishments for it. In contrast in Russia they throw you into prison for insisting that Putin is a mass-murderer and a fascist.

 

[Maudlin]

I don't really have the time or motivation to dive into all sources you laid out.

For example the National interest magazine does not seem to be convincing for me. It is largely influenced by the scholar tradition of realism. The explanations of realist scholars like Mearsheimer did not seem to be convincing for me when he talked about the war. Though you would probably like his explanations.

I think it is interesting that you two complimented Tucker Carlson. He is a very good example how western countries differ to Russia. You two are allowed to speak freely without legal punishment because of your beliefs on this war. Tucker does that in front of an audience of several million Americans on a regular basis.

In Russia instead the people were locked up for calling this "special operation" a war. There is a lot of video footage of that. People who were in public places with a sign "Stop this war". The police brutally arrested them and many were threatened or even physically abused for stating this fact. You can call it an opinion if you want. Can you imagine an influential Russian commentator on Russian TV who states the arguments of the West? In Russian TV shows there are often actors who take that role. They are ridiculed and made fun of. They are figures of fun.

Tucker instead earns million of dollars due to his show. He is loved by millions of people. He enjoys freedom of speech. And this is something the Russian population only can dream of. Also scholars like Mearsheimer who give the contrarian position are also oppressed in Russia. (I mean by that contrarian people in Russia. Their contrarian position is obviously very different to Mearsheimers position. Mearsheimer makes a case that the West is largely responsible for this confilct. In Russia contrarians people give the arguments in favor the West instead.)

So you can insist on your position that Ukraine and the allegedly evil West is responsible for this war. There will be no legal punishments for it. In contrast in Russia they throw you into prison for insisting that Putin is a mass-murderer and a fascist.

In Russia instead the people were locked up for calling this "special operation" a war. There is a lot of video footage of that. People who were in public places with a sign "Stop this war". The police brutally arrested them and many were threatened or even physically abused for stating this fact.

I've seen some of that footage. No doubt Russia is far from perfect... much that occurs there appalls me. Regardless, the agenda of certain factions in power in the US and elsewhere in the west are feeding a crisis that simply should not be. No one benefits. Quite the contrary... the globe is currently and will continue to suffer under their agenda.

Putin himself cites Ivan Ilyan as one of his main political influences, Ivan is one of the founders of the original fascist ideology.

Thank you for the article.

It seems there are few governments that couldn't bear the label "fascist", now days. Increasingly, global governance is "in play"... and much of what constitutes its' "governance" could bear the label, as well.

Still, it is only a label... something used so folks have something to rally against. It is easily as contradictory and infuriating as everything else in politics.

Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[noname223]

I've seen some of that footage. No doubt Russia is far from perfect... much that occurs there appalls me. Regardless, the agenda of certain factions in power in the US and elsewhere in the west are feeding a crisis that simply should not be. No one benefits. Quite the contrary... the globe is currently and will continue to suffer under their agenda.

Thank you for the article.

It seems there are few governments that couldn't bear the label "fascist", now days. Increasingly, global governance is "in play"... and much of what constitutes its' "governance" could bear the label, as well.

Still, it is only a label... something used so folks have something to rally against. It is easily as contradictory and infuriating as everything else in politics.

Fascism and ideology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This war was started by Russia. It is Putin's agenda. He decided for that war. He was so megalomaniac that he thought he could easily beat Ukraine within weeks. He believed his own propaganda. Putin surrounded himself with people who just affirmed his alleged grandiosity. This is why he thought the Russian military would be extremely advanced and well equipped.

Well sadly his footmen did not know he seriously considered to go to war. He was such a fool. If he only invaded eastern parts of Ukraine the Western answer would have been less powerful. Now Scandinavian countries will probably enter NATO. The result of this war is the opposite of what he intended.

Even the Chinese government condemned possible usage of nukes.

I am in favor for ongoing military aid for Ukraine. Also with the same amount of money. A quite unpopular statement. Many people in Western countries are tired of war. And this is the biggest chance for Putin.

In my opinion there only should be negotiations in a position of strength. Now Putin has to sell his failure of strategy as a win. I think currently Ukraine overperforms in a huge way. Probably also due to the moral of the soldiers. Ukrainians fight to protect their country and loved ones. The Russian soldiers are not worth anything in the eyes of Putin. He guides thousands of young men into a fight they are not prepared for. There are many videos of Russian men who complain about the disastrous equippment. Brave Russian women protest that their men are sent into clear death.

Putin has started this war and our answer to it should be united, with determination and strength. Not sure whether the West will win in the end but for now they make a very impressive reaction.

 

[LonelyEmerald]

I'm just glad a foreigner is appreciate of America for once.

 

[_Minsk]

Ukraine should have stayed neutral then there would be no war at all