American Politics & 3rd Parties

[CrossroadsCurious]

This whole duopoly system in america needs a shakeup. Both democrats & republicans are opposite sides of the same stinky turd! We need to move majority of people to the 3rd parties and have debates with all the top contenders of all the parties!

So sick of this back and forth bullshit from both sides...

 

[jandek]

I'm pretty conservative on a number of issues, but I like the idea of a "green" party... I wish the American green party were more focused and grounded in their agenda.

 

[CrossroadsCurious]

Middle of the road Independent myself. Both sides have some good points/ideas while at the same time I see how idiotic and full of shit they both can be. And also how completely batshit crazy the extremists on either side are. Jfc, take the extremists to a deserted island and let them finish each other off. It's what they want.

 

[MellowAvenue]

It just won't happen… Well, unless the Trumpicans fully detach from the Republican Party. The deck to even get on the ballot in some districts is stacked against 3rd parties and the more important the position, the harder it is to garner support. That's not even getting into generations worth of us vs them conditioning and the merits (Or lack there of) of most of our third party candidates themselves. I'll admit I'm jaded as fuck on this though.

 

[newave3]

We don't need a third party. We need to eradicate the Democratic Party which is the source of all evil.

The great Mark Levin

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

#YangGang

 

[Symbiote]

The two party system that has monopolized the American political system and doesn't allow real progressive change to take place. Instead age old ideas and policies run rampant and this is what you have in America today. Republicans are either too religious and radical, not focusing on being fiscally conservative and Democrats focusing on social programs, unaware of the total cost and how much it affects the middle class when it comes time for taxes. Both sides kowtowing to the organizations that donate to their campaign and always butting heads when it comes to policies that most Americans do not care about. Being a capitalist driven society, both parties do not enable policies to help with that and instead drive the wedge deeper between politicians and the people who voted them in.

 

[whatevs]

We don't need a third party. We need to eradicate the Democratic Party which is the source of all evil.

The great Mark Levin

Do you actually believe the left is the source of our problems today? 'Progressives' < The Plutocracy < Human nature < Biology. This is the cascade of the 'source of all evil' as I see it.

 

[Apathy79]

Interestingly as it relates to 3rd parties - we just had an election here in Oz. The centre-right government in power for the last 9 years was overhauled by the centre-left government, but both lost a significant percentage of their prior vote to 3rd party candidates, a crossbench that tripled in size. The winning party didn't gain any net votes, it lost them, just far less than the incumbents. And in terms of the issues the main parties missed to allow that surge in 3rd party votes, the independents whose campaign had the biggest effect were economically conservative women but with a significant focus on women's rights and climate change.

It continues a very long term trend here where the weakness of the main left wing party has been economic management, usually related to overspending, and most prior winners going back decades for them have marketed themselves as economically conservative but nailed those social issues. The main weakness for the right wing is squarely the other 2 issues the independents campaigned on - women's rights and climate change. If one of the parties fixes those issues, they're going to be in power for a long time. If neither do and they keep going on like they always have, the 2-party system here is in danger of an overhaul from the smaller parties that get that balance right.

 

[YourNeighbor]

We don't need more parties in the U.S., we need an electoral system that more accurately represents the preferences of voters.

 

[newave3]

Do you actually believe the left is the source of our problems today? 'Progressives' < The Plutocracy < Human nature < Biology. This is the cascade of the 'source of all evil' as I see it.

Agreed, you broke it down very well.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

Do you actually believe the left is the source of our problems today? 'Progressives' < The Plutocracy < Human nature < Biology. This is the cascade of the 'source of all evil' as I see it.

Yes, I believe they're the source of a lot of our problems today. Its only one head of the hydra though.

 

[whatevs]

These people are pawns. Useful idiots. Lemmings. They're not one of the heads, they are at best part of the Hydra's venomous spit.

If voting mattered they'd make it illegal.

 

[Nolan96]

Do you actually believe the left is the source of our problems today? 'Progressives' < The Plutocracy < Human nature < Biology. This is the cascade of the 'source of all evil' as I see it.

You could do this with anything, (and obviously you specifically would do so since you're a Schopenhauerian-type). But in a way it doesn't make sense as a way of dismissing the left's responsibility for evil. After all, if the cascade were instead

An ideology which isn't completely sick and doesn't bring out the absolute worst in human nature < An actually spiritually and morally mature elite < Human nature < Biology

things would still not be utopian because mankind is intrinsically imperfect, but they'd be a lot better. So while some problems are perennial, is the left the source of all of our problems today, as in the ones unique to our own time? Yes.

 

[whatevs]

You could do this with anything, and obviously you would since you're a Schopenhauerian-type. But in a way it doesn't make sense as a way of dismissing the left's responsibility for evil. After all, if the cascade were instead

an ideology which isn't completely sick and doesn't bring out the absolute worst in human nature < an actually spiritually and morally mature elite < Human nature < biology

things would still not be utopian but they'd be a lot better. So while some problems are perennial, is the left the source of all of our problems today, as in the ones unique to our own time? Yes.

In your cascade you're acknowledging that the elite decide what the left will think and do, so you're actually agreeing with me that the problem lies in something that acts before the left - a causal predecesor.

Focusing on the pawns that spread leftist degeneracy/authoritarianism robs us of the opportunity to tackle what gives them finances and reach: the plutocracy.

You will never get rid of a plague if you only kill the critters that are visible and you don't try to find the colony.

 

[Nolan96]

In your cascade you're acknowledging that the elite decide what the left will think and do, so you're actually agreeing with me that the problem lies in something that acts before the left - a causal predecesor.

Focusing on the pawns that spread leftist degeneracy/authoritarianism robs us of the opportunity to tackle what gives them finances and reach: the plutocracy.

You will never get rid of a plague if you only kill the critters that are visible and you don't try to find the colony.

I guess I just see them as one and the same. People with power and money all pretty much subscribe to the same belief system and to get power and money you pretty much have to subscribe to that belief system. Ultimately it's still more accurate to say that it's the belief system and not exactly the power/money itself that's the problem.

 

[whatevs]

I guess I just see them as one and the same. People with power and money all pretty much subscribe to the same belief system and to get power and money you pretty much have to subscribe to that belief system. Ultimately it's still more accurate to say that it's the belief system and not exactly the power/money itself that's the problem.

Yeah but that's assuming the top of the pyramid actually believes man and human are equal, races don't exist but Europeans/Whites are the worst race, gender can be chosen, an empty canvas can be a piece of art, etc.

I think they believe in something else and they use all the craziness to achieve their goals. I think this image says a lot more about their belief system than mainstream leftist ideas:

Contrary to what might look like, I'm not a Christian conspiracy theorist. I'm very much more of a Gnostic and like the idea of siding with Prometheus/Lucifer against the creator, (allegorically speaking). I think the elites spouse some forms of occultic beliefs and they are using the left and also technology as a stepping stone for goals that are not clear.

 

[Nolan96]

Yeah but that's assuming the top of the pyramid actually believes man and human are equal, races don't exist but Europeans/Whites are the worst race, gender can be chosen, an empty canvas can be a piece of art, etc.

I think they believe in something else and they use all the craziness to achieve their goals. I think this image says a lot more about their belief system than mainstream leftist ideas:

Contrary to what might look like, I'm not a Christian conspiracy theorist. I'm very much more of a Gnostic and like the idea of siding with Prometheus/Lucifer against the creator, (allegorically speaking). I think the elites spouse some forms of occultic beliefs and they are using the left and also technology as a stepping stone for goals that are not clear.

I see what you mean now. I think we disagree on that one. I tend to believe the leftist elites are probably not that different from the rank and file ideologically. More complicated obviously, since they have to come up with mental acrobatics to justify their worst behavior whereas the average person lacks the self-reflection to be concerned with accusations of zealotry or hypocrisy. But basically the same.

 

[LucyB]

I can't understand how people still think we pick the presidents. Come on people they give you the candidates and they pick the winner. They use the Democrat and republican thing to divide people, get them to argue over which is best and give them the illusion that they have a choice. This world is absolutely horrific by design (on purpose) and not by the design of the characters yall call politicians.

 

[novem]

I'm pretty conservative on a number of issues, but I like the idea of a "green" party... I wish the American green party were more focused and grounded in their agenda.

elon musk is a candidate to propagate his interests along with the green agenda dont u think so?

 

[Shu]

Yeah but that's assuming the top of the pyramid actually believes man and human are equal, races don't exist but Europeans/Whites are the worst race, gender can be chosen, an empty canvas can be a piece of art, etc.

I think they believe in something else and they use all the craziness to achieve their goals. I think this image says a lot more about their belief system than mainstream leftist ideas:

Contrary to what might look like, I'm not a Christian conspiracy theorist. I'm very much more of a Gnostic and like the idea of siding with Prometheus/Lucifer against the creator, (allegorically speaking). I think the elites spouse some forms of occultic beliefs and they are using the left and also technology as a stepping stone for goals that are not clear.

If you knew what this image actually represented...

If you knew what this image actually represented...

There's more to it than even what this link explains. https://www.newsfromtheperimeter.com/home/2021/5/8/the-symbolic-meaning-of-baphomet

Yeah but that's assuming the top of the pyramid actually believes man and human are equal, races don't exist but Europeans/Whites are the worst race, gender can be chosen, an empty canvas can be a piece of art, etc.

I think they believe in something else and they use all the craziness to achieve their goals. I think this image says a lot more about their belief system than mainstream leftist ideas:

Contrary to what might look like, I'm not a Christian conspiracy theorist. I'm very much more of a Gnostic and like the idea of siding with Prometheus/Lucifer against the creator, (allegorically speaking). I think the elites spouse some forms of occultic beliefs and they are using the left and also technology as a stepping stone for goals that are not clear.

another good read https://gnosticwarrior.com/lucifer.html

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

These people are pawns. Useful idiots. Lemmings. They're not one of the heads, they are at best part of the Hydra's venomous spit.

If voting mattered they'd make it illegal.

Well said, on all counts.