After death fears.

[FocusExpert]

After my death, I am fearful of an eternal reality that is torturous. I want to be sure that is not what it would be. It makes sense that since my brain would decompose, whatever makes me me would be gone, and thus whatever my "consciousness" would experience after my death, if anything at all. would not be me. I just want to be sure of that. Could someone help me please.

 

[Thegoldenapples]

You don't die. Your body dies. Your spirit and soul will disengage and end up back home in the sprit world. You won't feel the way you do now. You go through healing, life review etc. there's around 7 stages and then get back to your soul group and do what you normally do in the afterlife until your next reincarnation. Everyone is different. it's closing one door and opening another, like my profile picture. Just make sure you follow your guides and go there. Sometimes they want you to stay around until after cremation. But you'll eventually be guided back home. Sometimes people can be in such distress, they don't go back home and then become earth bound. So trust and remember your team upstairs are there for you. They know what's going on. They always do.

 

[WornOutLife]

Well, look at it this way:

Even if you'te scared to death of death, death will still be waiting for you. (No pun intended).

Sure, you could be scared of going to hell or eternal limbo but those are just theories.

I think we all go to the same place or death is simply eternal nothingness and just like the time before we were born; we wont't be conscious about it.

Having said this, I don't see the point of fearing death.

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

The idea of torture in afterlife is a human made idea. Not everyone has come up with it. It's not a universal truth. No one knows what awaits us after death. However, we do know everyone eventually goes there.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

Even though its something that I personally struggle with myself, I have only recently accepted you die whether you commit suicide or die naturally. Eventually, everything dies, there is nothing to do but prepare yourself for your eventually mortality. Most of my life, I thought I would be tortured in the Christian Hell for eternity, then I thought seriously about it and realize, how would you even know it was eternity, why would you go there? If God is loving, why would he damn 99.9999% of all humanity to eternal misery. Life is hell enough, I want to think once you die, you pull the plug.
Though even now I don't know what awaits after death, it scares me at times, yet in the end I have come to face it. Whether or not it exists, I am ready for it. You should be too.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Many people fear hell. You ought to fear heaven - especially if you are Catholic. You're going to be surrounded by pedophile priests going after small children if the Catholic worldview is true

 

[GarageKarate07]

You don't die. Your body dies. Your spirit and soul will disengage and end up back home in the sprit world. You won't feel the way you do now. You go through healing, life review etc. there's around 7 stages and then get back to your soul group and do what you normally do in the afterlife until your next reincarnation. Everyone is different. it's closing one door and opening another, like my profile picture. Just make sure you follow your guides and go there. Sometimes they want you to stay around until after cremation. But you'll eventually be guided back home. Sometimes people can be in such distress, they don't go back home and then become earth bound. So trust and remember your team upstairs are there for you. They know what's going on. They always do.

WELL, HOLY SHIT E85 WHERE DID YOU PICK UP ALL OF THAT!? That's a hell of a lot of spiritual studies. I rarely see anyone with that kind of enlightenment and guidance. I myself would point people to NDERF (near death experience research Foundation) to read through all the lovely afterlife experiences there.

Exceptional Experiences

Archived NDEs 7-1-2017/12-31-2017

www.nderf.org

These can help a lot with fear of death and the afterlife. Most are religious but not all and the people who took these down compare east and west as being the same regardless of what religion. Also different levels depending on how near death they became.

Question still remains E85 where did you learn what did you study? On pins and needles over here LOL. No offense to OP.

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Oh real, just dropped some thoughts. Didn't think it wouldnt impact anyone. Bonus. Learnt through life experience and independent research. Had some intense experiences with ayahuasca so that opened my eyes a lot, then got into astrology, past life, attachments etc. Did law and commerce at uni which is the complete opposite to anything spiritual. NDE accounts are interesting ah. I'm not religious. Religion bugs me. It's narrows peoples perspective to what is reality and quite cruel. Found that out more when researching suicide and religion. That's how spirits get earthbound as well. If they feel they have sinned, they are scared to go upstairs in fear of being punished, when it's the complete opposite. In some religions, they don't even have a funeral and the whole family is then shamed from society. Then they die with the fear and same thing happens. It's mental. When they get earthbound, they attach to humans with openings in their aura which are created by trauma to get energy. That causes issues for humans in itself. Creates a mess. You feel all their pain and that can cause suicide. Simple things like removing spiritual attachments and retrieving lost soul fragments can solve people with mental disorders like BPD. Had a mate with severe BPD, he had a removal session with soul retrieval and BPD completely gone. Like a switch. Trauma causes soul loss too which also contributes to adverse mental health. All of this isnt taught enough and it should be.

 

[GarageKarate07]

Oh real, just dropped some thoughts. Didn't think it wouldnt impact anyone. Bonus. Learnt through life experience and independent research. Had some intense experiences with ayahuasca so that opened my eyes a lot, then got into astrology, past life, attachments etc. Did law and commerce at uni which is the complete opposite to anything spiritual. NDE accounts are interesting ah. I'm not religious. Religion bugs me. It's narrows peoples perspective to what is reality and quite cruel. Found that out more when researching suicide and religion. That's how spirits get earthbound as well. If they feel they have sinned, they are scared to go upstairs in fear of being punished, when it's the complete opposite. In some religions, they don't even have a funeral and the whole family is then shamed from society. Then they die with the fear and same thing happens. It's mental. When they get earthbound, they attach to humans with openings in their aura which are created by trauma to get energy. That causes issues for humans in itself. Creates a mess. You feel all their pain and that can cause suicide. Simple things like removing spiritual attachments and retrieving lost soul fragments can solve people with mental disorders like BPD. Had a mate with severe BPD, he had a removal session with soul retrieval and BPD completely gone. Like a switch. Trauma causes soul loss too which also contributes to adverse mental health. All of this isnt taught enough and it should be.

Its not often enough that people have thier third eye open AND oddly enough it can be done through real world study like you said. Malevolent jobs and classes at University can open your world once you realise that those things are bad spiritually. I like mushies myself. I had a two year grow and learned a lot over that time. I learned through the study of malevolent culture and religions and organizations. Independent research is the way to go! Only you can open your line of site by stepping away from the carnal grasp of this sick material world. Religions can rob you but they can also be a stepping stone once someone grows enough to ditch religion and look at the good in people and accept that even bad people are still our brothers and sisters. Yes, ALL THINGS SPIRITUAL ARE NOT TAUGHT ENOUGH!! It should be K-5 at least! K: Don't hurt animals. 1st: Plant trees. 2nd: Share food. 3rd: Meditation. 4th: etc. 5th: etc. Then field trips to other countries to love and cherish our fellow man as a whole. This whole get a job and be a tax slave is a joke! I looked into conspiracy and NWO and Terence McKenna and all of that. Also found Flat Earth. You wanna blow your own mind E85? Learn Flat Earth. At first it pisses you off, then you cry, then you heal. It's a hard one because it is one of those roads of "acceptance" (looking in The mirror) and most people can not do that. Hence the addiction to spiritual pain you mentioned in this world and the next. The connection of lost souls is a tough one also. I use prayer myself and usually the guys/spirits in the sky help me out although thier timing is sometimes a bit to be desired LOL. I talk to my soul group to help me out and they do every single time. Trauma can lock you in but it can also be used to free you once you realise it's ok that bad things happen. Huge topics! So much to cover! Etc! The near death experiences really help. They all seem happy even when the person felt like they were a bad person they still got taken by thier soul group/spirit guides for a moment so they were not alone or put down for thier "transgressions" while waiting to go back to thier body. I like those parts.

"You screwed up!? Welcome to the club. Grab a 40 or some cigars and we'll talk about how it's ok."
-spirit of the water-

❤

 

[greyhound]

Oh real, just dropped some thoughts. Didn't think it wouldnt impact anyone. Bonus. Learnt through life experience and independent research. Had some intense experiences with ayahuasca so that opened my eyes a lot, then got into astrology, past life, attachments etc. Did law and commerce at uni which is the complete opposite to anything spiritual. NDE accounts are interesting ah. I'm not religious. Religion bugs me. It's narrows peoples perspective to what is reality and quite cruel. Found that out more when researching suicide and religion. That's how spirits get earthbound as well. If they feel they have sinned, they are scared to go upstairs in fear of being punished, when it's the complete opposite. In some religions, they don't even have a funeral and the whole family is then shamed from society. Then they die with the fear and same thing happens. It's mental. When they get earthbound, they attach to humans with openings in their aura which are created by trauma to get energy. That causes issues for humans in itself. Creates a mess. You feel all their pain and that can cause suicide. Simple things like removing spiritual attachments and retrieving lost soul fragments can solve people with mental disorders like BPD. Had a mate with severe BPD, he had a removal session with soul retrieval and BPD completely gone. Like a switch. Trauma causes soul loss too which also contributes to adverse mental health. All of this isnt taught enough and it should be.

I'm 100% on board with much of what you said. Had some strange experiences myself and convinced that our consciousness is non-physical just in a temporary physical body. What I don't fully understand is the "trust and understand that your team upstairs is there for you". So for most of the people on this forum, where the fuck is their team? On vacation? Some corporate leadership retreat in the spiritual plane?

I just still can't understand what would make anyone take a gamble on coming to earth to be incarnated, if we have any say in the matter. There is just way too much chance of it becoming a living hell. What's more most people are generally unaware of spiritual reality so they are trapped in a mental hell as well, fearing afterlife punishment or annihilation of consciousness.

I just find the standard new age explanations a bit too trite sometimes. Like oh you just had a soul contract to be born into slavery, raped, or starved to death etc. It's all just for your soul's personal development, we'll go over it during your life review if you have any questions.

I mean the Buddhist/Indian view is that we're sort of chained to this horrible cycle of reincarnation, which is super depressing but like maybe that makes more sense as to why anyone would be born here, no choice in the matter.

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Its not often enough that people have thier third eye open AND oddly enough it can be done through real world study like you said. Malevolent jobs and classes at University can open your world once you realise that those things are bad spiritually. I like mushies myself. I had a two year grow and learned a lot over that time. I learned through the study of malevolent culture and religions and organizations. Independent research is the way to go! Only you can open your line of site by stepping away from the carnal grasp of this sick material world. Religions can rob you but they can also be a stepping stone once someone grows enough to ditch religion and look at the good in people and accept that even bad people are still our brothers and sisters. Yes, ALL THINGS SPIRITUAL ARE NOT TAUGHT ENOUGH!! It should be K-5 at least! K: Don't hurt animals. 1st: Plant trees. 2nd: Share food. 3rd: Meditation. 4th: etc. 5th: etc. Then field trips to other countries to love and cherish our fellow man as a whole. This whole get a job and be a tax slave is a joke! I looked into conspiracy and NWO and Terence McKenna and all of that. Also found Flat Earth. You wanna blow your own mind E85? Learn Flat Earth. At first it pisses you off, then you cry, then you heal. It's a hard one because it is one of those roads of "acceptance" (looking in The mirror) and most people can not do that. Hence the addiction to spiritual pain you mentioned in this world and the next. The connection of lost souls is a tough one also. I use prayer myself and usually the guys/spirits in the sky help me out although thier timing is sometimes a bit to be desired LOL. I talk to my soul group to help me out and they do every single time. Trauma can lock you in but it can also be used to free you once you realise it's ok that bad things happen. Huge topics! So much to cover! Etc! The near death experiences really help. They all seem happy even when the person felt like they were a bad person they still got taken by thier soul group/spirit guides for a moment so they were not alone or put down for thier "transgressions" while waiting to go back to thier body. I like those parts.

"You screwed up!? Welcome to the club. Grab a 40 or some cigars and we'll talk about how it's ok."
-spirit of the water-

❤

Ohh yeah flat earth and NWO. For some reason I wasn't surprised when I found that out. Found so much out within a short time, like that and no moon landing, mother Teresa not being the saint she is made out to be etc You literally can't believe anything that's put out on msm. Government/system is only there to confuse and distort the truth. Upstairs is very forgiving but when one commits egregious acts for example, after death they go to a wandering plane first, before the transition stage and any gained spiritual status can be taken away. People in the dark arts will experience this. If they don't learn and end up in a perpetual cycle, their soul is cleansed and somewhat reset with new energy. Yeah it's such a vast topic and so much info out there. It's good that we only bring a fraction of our energy here too. They say it's like one side of a diamond. Our over self stays on the spirit realm. Awesome you pray and connect. It's good to be aware. The NDEs are super interesting, last one I watched pissed me off because this lady said that when she attempted suicide, god said to her that she would be punished if she didn't return earth. Another one was healed while being in the spirit world and now she helps sick people with energy healing. Lots of different accounts

I'm 100% on board with much of what you said. Had some strange experiences myself and convinced that our consciousness is non-physical just in a temporary physical body. What I don't fully understand is the "trust and understand that your team upstairs is there for you". So for most of the people on this forum, where the fuck is their team? On vacation? Some corporate leadership retreat in the spiritual plane?

I just still can't understand what would make anyone take a gamble on coming to earth to be incarnated, if we have any say in the matter. There is just way too much chance of it becoming a living hell. What's more most people are generally unaware of spiritual reality so they are trapped in a mental hell as well, fearing afterlife punishment or annihilation of consciousness.

I just find the standard new age explanations a bit too trite sometimes. Like oh you just had a soul contract to be born into slavery, raped, or starved to death etc. It's all just for your soul's personal development, we'll go over it during your life review if you have any questions.

I mean the Buddhist/Indian view is that we're sort of chained to this horrible cycle of reincarnation, which is super depressing but like maybe that makes more sense as to why anyone would be born here, no choice in the matter.

Yeah I know what you mean with soul blueprint etc but there's a lot involved and you're involved in that prior to coming here. No one forced you here. It was your choice. You won't have to come back again until you want to as well. Thing is that regardless of what happens, we all want to come back. Earth is school, spirit world is home. About 60 years between each life, depending on amount of healing needed. We are supposed to live in polarity with a range of experiences. One life is like a blink compared to how many lives we life, each has its purpose, whether to help someone else, resolve karmic debts, challenges etc only you will know that when you're home. Once you're there, you'll see all past lives and get perspective. Guides etc cannot intervene in a drastic way but everyone has intuition. When our ego is in the way it's harder to hear. Everyone has done something and feel their gut say "dont" but they do it anyway and suffer consequences. We only have around 3 key events that will happen and then free will comes in and the complexity of earth life that we need to learn to navigate. Everyone is at different stages as well so there's a lot going on. You chose to come here, you chose your family, siblings, birth place, time of death. We just have amnesia once we come back which is a bitch. Astrology blueprint reading is really informative, completely matched my past life regression session and things thay aya told/showed me. It's all connected and all planned, some just go off course and sometimes other people s actions create a drastic change in events, but shit happens and what do you do. Eveything is learning. It's such a vast and complicated topic. Buddhism can talk a lot of bs as well. Yes we reincarnate but their view on suicide is also out the gate and we are not forced to come back.

 

[Pharmaruined]

I'm 100% on board with much of what you said. Had some strange experiences myself and convinced that our consciousness is non-physical just in a temporary physical body. What I don't fully understand is the "trust and understand that your team upstairs is there for you". So for most of the people on this forum, where the fuck is their team? On vacation? Some corporate leadership retreat in the spiritual plane?

I just still can't understand what would make anyone take a gamble on coming to earth to be incarnated, if we have any say in the matter. There is just way too much chance of it becoming a living hell. What's more most people are generally unaware of spiritual reality so they are trapped in a mental hell as well, fearing afterlife punishment or annihilation of consciousness.

I just find the standard new age explanations a bit too trite sometimes. Like oh you just had a soul contract to be born into slavery, raped, or starved to death etc. It's all just for your soul's personal development, we'll go over it during your life review if you have any questions.

I mean the Buddhist/Indian view is that we're sort of chained to this horrible cycle of reincarnation, which is super depressing but like maybe that makes more sense as to why anyone would be born here, no choice in the matter.

There's a choice but it's about being defiant not submissive seeking mercy.. or yes you'll get thrown right back into this hell.. and based on the state of current affairs you'll have a very slim chance of having a happy life..

so much can go wrong.. bad parents , bad schooling, drugs, poverty, abuse..think about it . More people alive are facing these issue than not, by a huge margin..

just being where u are now u hit the jackpot and don't even realize it.

But yea it's a bad nasty game.. get out this next time or you'll be bound to earth for eternity.. I'm not trusting "Spirit guides" haha.. if trusting them got me here they can gf themselves

 

[greyhound]

Ohh yeah flat earth and NWO. For some reason I wasn't surprised when I found that out. Found so much out within a short time, like that and no moon landing, mother Teresa not being the saint she is made out to be etc You literally can't believe anything that's put out on msm.

Gah I seriously hope you're somehow joking here. From your tone it sounds like you're serious though. This is my biggest issue with these 'spiritual types'. It's like as soon as people realize mainstream religion isn't true and also scientific materialism is BS, they completely jump off the deep end and accept the most insane conspiracy theories. My brother is an example of this. I feel partly responsible because I sort of initially gave him a Sri Aurobindo book that turned him into a seeker of sorts. But then he just started going down these youtube rabbitholes where some crank with a channel would say just about anything and he'd eat it up until he got sucked down the next rabbithole.

David Wilcock to me is another example. At face value his books would appear to line up with stuff I believe from experience. Astral plane, spirit guides, ascension etc. But he just takes it all and turns it into some kind of crazy circus act. Even earlier this year he was like spouting some insanity on Youtube about how the government was about to turn off the internet any day. I'm like dude that's not how the internet works it's a network specifically designed to not be able to be 'turned off'. He was also crazy pro Trump which fine ok I don't think people should be cancelled for that, but Trump is a buffoon that for some reason a lot of these spiritual types believed was some kind of a saviour.

Yeah I know what you mean with soul blueprint etc but there's a lot involved and you're involved in that prior to coming here. No one forced you here. It was your choice. You won't have to come back again until you want to as well. Thing is that regardless of what happens, we all want to come back. Earth is school, spirit world is home. About 60 years between each life, depending on amount of healing needed. We are supposed to live in polarity with a range of experiences. One life is like a blink compared to how many lives we life, each has its purpose, whether to help someone else, resolve karmic debts, challenges etc only you will know that when you're home. Once you're there, you'll see all past lives and get perspective. Guides etc cannot intervene in a drastic way but everyone has intuition. When our ego is in the way it's harder to hear. Everyone has done something and feel their gut say "dont" but they do it anyway and suffer consequences. We only have around 3 key events that will happen and then free will comes in and the complexity of earth life that we need to learn to navigate. Everyone is at different stages as well so there's a lot going on. You chose to come here, you chose your family, siblings, birth place, time of death. We just have amnesia once we come back which is a bitch. Astrology blueprint reading is really informative, completely matched my past life regression session and things thay aya told/showed me. It's all connected and all planned, some just go off course and sometimes other people s actions create a drastic change in events, but shit happens and what do you do. Eveything is learning. It's such a vast and complicated topic. Buddhism can talk a lot of bs as well. Yes we reincarnate but their view on suicide is also out the gate and we are not forced to come back.

I just find that the new age view is so totally like everything is amazing, we all have ultimate free will, and things are all perfect including you. And in reality 90% of people on earth view it as a hell that is run/created by satan or some kind of evil deity. So there is some kind of a disconnect here. The mainstream religions at least try to explain the existence of evil and suffering in the world, where as new age people just try to sweep it under the rug because everything is love and light.

There's a choice but it's about being defiant not submissive seeking mercy.. or yes you'll get thrown right back into this hell.. and based on the state of current affairs you'll have a very slim chance of having a happy life..

so much can go wrong.. bad parents , bad schooling, drugs, poverty, abuse..think about it . More people alive are facing these issue than not, by a huge margin..

just being where u are now u hit the jackpot and don't even realize it.

But yea it's a bad nasty game.. get out this next time or you'll be bound to earth for eternity.. I'm not trusting "Spirit guides" haha.. if trusting them got me here they can gf themselves

My main fear is that the afterlife is somehow awful or terribly boring. I hope we have some choice in the matter of being incarnated but in order to willingly choose that something about the afterlife situation has to be pretty shitty. Just like most on this forum, we're taking a huge gamble with CTB, willingly jumping into the unknown because of the level of misery we're in. Maybe it's just the same in the afterlife except we jump in the other direction. I mean the ancient Greeks thought the afterlife was a pretty miserable place where people just existed as 'shades'. Achilles or someone can't recall said being alive was better than being the king of the underworld in the Illiad I think. The ancient Greeks knew a thing or two, Eleusinian mysteries and all..

 

[StuckAF]

This Thread makes me even more sad. It seems like there is no good ending for me. Living is suffering and dying is aswell

 

[Abir_london]

There's nothing after death just like before you were born

 

[GarageKarate07]

Ohh yeah flat earth and NWO. For some reason I wasn't surprised when I found that out. Found so much out within a short time, like that and no moon landing, mother Teresa not being the saint she is made out to be etc You literally can't believe anything that's put out on msm. Government/system is only there to confuse and distort the truth. Upstairs is very forgiving but when one commits egregious acts for example, after death they go to a wandering plane first, before the transition stage and any gained spiritual status can be taken away. People in the dark arts will experience this. If they don't learn and end up in a perpetual cycle, their soul is cleansed and somewhat reset with new energy. Yeah it's such a vast topic and so much info out there. It's good that we only bring a fraction of our energy here too. They say it's like one side of a diamond. Our over self stays on the spirit realm. Awesome you pray and connect. It's good to be aware. The NDEs are super interesting, last one I watched pissed me off because this lady said that when she attempted suicide, god said to her that she would be punished if she didn't return earth. Another one was healed while being in the spirit world and now she helps sick people with energy healing. Lots of different accounts

Yeah I know what you mean with soul blueprint etc but there's a lot involved and you're involved in that prior to coming here. No one forced you here. It was your choice. You won't have to come back again until you want to as well. Thing is that regardless of what happens, we all want to come back. Earth is school, spirit world is home. About 60 years between each life, depending on amount of healing needed. We are supposed to live in polarity with a range of experiences. One life is like a blink compared to how many lives we life, each has its purpose, whether to help someone else, resolve karmic debts, challenges etc only you will know that when you're home. Once you're there, you'll see all past lives and get perspective. Guides etc cannot intervene in a drastic way but everyone has intuition. When our ego is in the way it's harder to hear. Everyone has done something and feel their gut say "dont" but they do it anyway and suffer consequences. We only have around 3 key events that will happen and then free will comes in and the complexity of earth life that we need to learn to navigate. Everyone is at different stages as well so there's a lot going on. You chose to come here, you chose your family, siblings, birth place, time of death. We just have amnesia once we come back which is a bitch. Astrology blueprint reading is really informative, completely matched my past life regression session and things thay aya told/showed me. It's all connected and all planned, some just go off course and sometimes other people s actions create a drastic change in events, but shit happens and what do you do. Eveything is learning. It's such a vast and complicated topic. Buddhism can talk a lot of bs as well. Yes we reincarnate but their view on suicide is also out the gate and we are not forced to come back.

Learning to kill your/ones ego is step number one! Foregoing and placing your pride aside is the first step toward learning how stupid you/we really are and how deep the control of information here actually goes. The soul and spiritual reality here has been stripped away and anyone who doesn't have the strength to learn how wrong they are gets caught in this material trap. Theresa was a sex trafficker. The earth is flat motionless and enclosed as a conscious machine that is physically impossible to disprove dispite the best efforts of many well organised groups in power over a long period of time. The ones who put up the best fight get shot just like JFK in Dallas and MLK. Wars are fabricated events to force further control on countries who have yet to "play ball". All presidents since Nixon and possibly many before are pedos either for fun or because they were blackmailed. The church state and bank have taken science health, education, and free will almost completely away because they have had more than 1000 years to do so. Meanwhile man wants gold that isn't his. Meanwhile man kills for a single religion because another said to. Meanwhile man votes for a puppet because he wears the t-shirt that he likes. The tv is God. They taught us that. It's not hard to figure out. First kill the ego. Let the pain open your eyes and free you from the prison/s. Let the fucking pain go! Now you can actually start to learn. Now you can forgive the most important person, your damn self! Then you can heal and make amends with the others no matter how cruel thier actions were. Now you won't even have to fear death because you took the time to accept the cycle between here and the afterlife. A school is only good if one is taking the time to breathe and learn. ❤

 

[Mentalmick]

I'm just worried I'll be stuck listening to Gary fucking Barlow and his stupid, coma inducing voice for all eternity.

 

[GarageKarate07]

After my death, I am fearful of an eternal reality that is torturous. I want to be sure that is not what it would be. It makes sense that since my brain would decompose, whatever makes me me would be gone, and thus whatever my "consciousness" would experience after my death, if anything at all. would not be me. I just want to be sure of that. Could someone help me please.

Brah, you should be learning AKOCS (all kinds of crazy shit) about now. I'm guessing you are still young-ish. Take the time to learn and you can find out how little there is to fear. There is no bad things after death. There is a lot of reason as to why you are here and it can be overwhelming and hard to understand. Don't feel bad about being in distress. It happens to all of us. You are not the worst person in this world. You will be ok. ❤

I'm just worried I'll be stuck listening to Gary fucking Barlow and his stupid, coma inducing voice for all eternity.

I'm pretty sure there's better music in the afterlife than that man. LOL. Hopefully we still get all choice radio there.

 

[greyhound]

Learning to kill your/ones ego is step number one! Foregoing and placing your pride aside is the first step toward learning how stupid you/we really are and how deep the control of information here actually goes. The soul and spiritual reality here has been stripped away and anyone who doesn't have the strength to learn how wrong they are gets caught in this material trap. Theresa was a sex trafficker. The earth is flat motionless and enclosed as a conscious machine that is physically impossible to disprove dispite the best efforts of many well organised groups in power over a long period of time. The ones who put up the best fight get shot just like JFK in Dallas and MLK. Wars are fabricated events to force further control on countries who have yet to "play ball". All presidents since Nixon and possibly many before are pedos either for fun or because they were blackmailed. The church state and bank have taken science health, education, and free will almost completely away because they have had more than 1000 years to do so. Meanwhile man wants gold that isn't his. Meanwhile man kills for a single religion because another said to. Meanwhile man votes for a puppet because he wears the t-shirt that he likes. The tv is God. They taught us that. It's not hard to figure out. First kill the ego. Let the pain open your eyes and free you from the prison/s. Let the fucking pain go! Now you can actually start to learn. Now you can forgive the most important person, your damn self! Then you can heal and make amends with the others no matter how cruel thier actions were. Now you won't even have to fear death because you took the time to accept the cycle between here and the afterlife. A school is only good if one is taking the time to breathe and learn. ❤

Good lord. This is why life is so depressing to me. The options for belief systems are the consensus insanity or the 'opened mind' insanity, take your pick.

 

[TriggerHappy]

there is so much I wish we were taught: i became clairvoyant when i was 9 or 10 and started seeing angels, guides, spirits and gods: as spirits we can morph our appearance (easier akashic connections) we are not punished or named and shamed for whatever we do - we decide on method best to learn what we chose to (or not). Please try read Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. What happens when you die / your soul and it's journey / if you ctb etc. would love to know anyone else's experience of the above?! tx xm

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Gah I seriously hope you're somehow joking here. From your tone it sounds like you're serious though. This is my biggest issue with these 'spiritual types'. It's like as soon as people realize mainstream religion isn't true and also scientific materialism is BS, they completely jump off the deep end and accept the most insane conspiracy theories. My brother is an example of this. I feel partly responsible because I sort of initially gave him a Sri Aurobindo book that turned him into a seeker of sorts. But then he just started going down these youtube rabbitholes where some crank with a channel would say just about anything and he'd eat it up until he got sucked down the next rabbithole.

David Wilcock to me is another example. At face value his books would appear to line up with stuff I believe from experience. Astral plane, spirit guides, ascension etc. But he just takes it all and turns it into some kind of crazy circus act. Even earlier this year he was like spouting some insanity on Youtube about how the government was about to turn off the internet any day. I'm like dude that's not how the internet works it's a network specifically designed to not be able to be 'turned off'. He was also crazy pro Trump which fine ok I don't think people should be cancelled for that, but Trump is a buffoon that for some reason a lot of these spiritual types believed was some kind of a saviour.



I just find that the new age view is so totally like everything is amazing, we all have ultimate free will, and things are all perfect including you. And in reality 90% of people on earth view it as a hell that is run/created by satan or some kind of evil deity. So there is some kind of a disconnect here. The mainstream religions at least try to explain the existence of evil and suffering in the world, where as new age people just try to sweep it under the rug because everything is love and light.


My main fear is that the afterlife is somehow awful or terribly boring. I hope we have some choice in the matter of being incarnated but in order to willingly choose that something about the afterlife situation has to be pretty shitty. Just like most on this forum, we're taking a huge gamble with CTB, willingly jumping into the unknown because of the level of misery we're in. Maybe it's just the same in the afterlife except we jump in the other direction. I mean the ancient Greeks thought the afterlife was a pretty miserable place where people just existed as 'shades'. Achilles or someone can't recall said being alive was better than being the king of the underworld in the Illiad I think. The ancient Greeks knew a thing or two, Eleusinian mysteries and all..

I'm not sure what this "new age" view you're talking about is. I said we live in polarity. I don't think things are perfect. It not supposed to be. I'm on SS and going to cbt this year. Ive been through some shit and am well aware earth isn't rainbows and butterfly's. I've lived in good and bad and am aware of how things can drastically change. We do have free will. It was someone else's freewill that started my downward spiral. It's through your freewill that you can cbt. I don't get involved in politics and don't live in Amercia. I have an open mind and when I see evidence for something, I don't rule things out and accept others opinions. With things like flat earth, there is some evidnce there, old school evidence as well, but stuff like that we will only find out when we die. Ive never been religious. Always thought there was something culty and strange about it, views jsut solidified more as I got older. Have no idea about the shutting the internet down conspiracy theory. That's a new one. The "spiritual types" as you call it, are vast and different. There's some groups/people that can hold different views, like I don't agree with the galactic federation of light people. I think they are nuts, but each to their own. Through my experience and research over an extended period, ive just come to form my views on the life/afterlife.

 

[greyhound]

I'm not sure what this "new age" view you're talking about is. I said we live in polarity. I don't think things are perfect. It not supposed to be. I'm on SS and going to cbt this year. Ive been through some shit and am well aware earth isn't rainbows and butterfly's. I've lived in good and bad and am aware of how things can drastically change. We do have free will. It was someone else's freewill that started my downward spiral. It's through your freewill that you can cbt. I don't get involved in politics and don't live in Amercia. I have an open mind and when I see evidence for something, I don't rule things out and accept others opinions. With things like flat earth, there is some evidnce there, old school evidence as well, but stuff like that we will only find out when we die. Ive never been religious. Always thought there was something culty and strange about it, views jsut solidified more as I got older. Have no idea about the shutting the internet down conspiracy theory. That's a new one. The "spiritual types" as you call it, are vast and different. There's some groups/people that can hold different views, like I don't agree with the galactic federation of light people. I think they are nuts, but each to their own. Through my experience and research over an extended period, ive just come to form my views on the life/afterlife.

Maybe I just don't fully understand what flat earthers believe, but assuming the belief is that the planet is actually flat and not a sphere, how can an intelligent rational person in the modern age reasonably hold this view? We all use gps which is based on satellites orbiting our planet. There are tons of photos of the earth from space or even the curvature of the earth from high altitude. How exactly are airlines flying around this flat planet?

I mean personally I believe we live in some kind of a simulation. But ultimately the simulation has physical constructs and clearly we are on a spherical planet that orbits a spherical sun.

 

[TriggerHappy]

I'm not sure what this "new age" view you're talking about is. I said we live in polarity. I don't think things are perfect. It not supposed to be. I'm on SS and going to cbt this year. Ive been through some shit and am well aware earth isn't rainbows and butterfly's. I've lived in good and bad and am aware of how things can drastically change. We do have free will. It was someone else's freewill that started my downward spiral. It's through your freewill that you can cbt. I don't get involved in politics and don't live in Amercia. I have an open mind and when I see evidence for something, I don't rule things out and accept others opinions. With things like flat earth, there is some evidnce there, old school evidence as well, but stuff like that we will only find out when we die. Ive never been religious. Always thought there was something culty and strange about it, views jsut solidified more as I got older. Have no idea about the shutting the internet down conspiracy theory. That's a new one. The "spiritual types" as you call it, are vast and different. There's some groups/people that can hold different views, like I don't agree with the galactic federation of light people. I think they are nuts, but each to their own. Through my experience and research over an extended period, ive just come to form my views on the life/afterlife.

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Maybe I just don't fully understand what flat earthers believe, but assuming the belief is that the planet is actually flat and not a sphere, how can an intelligent rational person in the modern age reasonably hold this view? We all use gps which is based on satellites orbiting our planet. There are tons of photos of the earth from space or even the curvature of the earth from high altitude. How exactly are airlines flying around this flat planet?

I mean personally I believe we live in some kind of a simulation. But ultimately the simulation has physical constructs and clearly we are on a spherical planet that orbits and spherical sun.

I wouldn't call my self a "flat earther". I see holes on both sides of the fence. I just found some evidence I saw interesting. I don't sit and think into it or indentify as a round earther or flat earther. It's the least of my concerns. I agree that we live in a simulation, but as for what shape it is, who knows. Not concerned.

 

[TriggerHappy]

really interesting thread: loads to contemplate.
my upbringing (and therefore experience) was unusual - from Gypsey stock; so was initiated into spiritism really young. then my gifts got me membership into Spiritualist / Theosophical society (did readings / spirit communication / confirmation mediumship with audience) Learnt from awesome students of Blavatsky / Bailey and Gerald Gardner: this is my thing - these awesome Native American guides / chiefs were now mere spirit guides to fallable humans?! working with the Ascended Masters; Brotherhood of Light / St Germaine / Christ etc -I really struggle with the glimpses I have of the spirit world. It's beautiful etc but what lies beyond? The Source?
my addiction plays havoc with my attitude (luckily not my abilities) but i'm tiring of the psychic show-pony parade. everything lacks meaning, mom.
would be grateful for advice if you wanna private converse - am willing....

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

Many people fear hell. You ought to fear heaven - especially if you are Catholic. You're going to be surrounded by pedophile priests going after small children if the Catholic worldview is true

that's bullshit. no pedophile or predator is going to heaven. assuming it is real
the idea of total nothingness is definitely unnerving but its better than living in misery

 

[TriggerHappy]

that's bullshit. no pedophile or predator is going to heaven. assuming it is real
the idea of total nothingness is definitely unnerving but its better than living in misery

no heaven or hell - no physical construct that is: after death our soul experiences results of lessons learnt and then will choose to continue growing. Christianity is based on forgiveness -so pedophiles would not go 'hang out' in hell. Instead they would possibly choose a new existence where they would work on issues: healing damaged souls / reincarnating as social workers or victims / through doing good they overcome negative actions previously committed. They will also not be able to bear children for a few lifetimes... being Romany / Catholic my spirituality: protection / healing / angel prayers etc are Catholic as is my 'observance' of saints to help me with issues [Jude esp] as Christianity changed through the ages - I believe it deepens as we do. selfrighteous moralistic judgement is what I struggle with....

 

[nasblue]

After my death, I am fearful of an eternal reality that is torturous. I want to be sure that is not what it would be. It makes sense that since my brain would decompose, whatever makes me me would be gone, and thus whatever my "consciousness" would experience after my death, if anything at all. would not be me. I just want to be sure of that. Could someone help me please.

A few thoughts that help me:

I can't imagine it being worse than my life has been at some points.
All the people who have died have gone through it and surely you're not one of the worst of them if moral judgement is passed.
Time is subjective and we have no idea how it's experienced during or after death.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

that's bullshit. no pedophile or predator is going to heaven. assuming it is real
the idea of total nothingness is definitely unnerving but its better than living in misery

According to the Catholic Church their peodphile priests are in heaven , and the moslems believe the ayesha raper Mohammed is in their version...

 

[GarageKarate07]

A few thoughts that help me:

I can't imagine it being worse than my life has been at some points.
All the people who have died have gone through it and surely you're not one of the worst of them if moral judgement is passed.
Time is subjective and we have no idea how it's experienced during or after death.

I agree. I think the 20 absolute worse people on this entire site, including real transgressions and self hating opinions, would still be very very very far from being the worst people in the world. I think forgiveness is a natural part of this life and the next also. We do not have any idea what really goes on there for certain.